So it’s like how France doesn’t exist or is like how the earth is flat?
More like Bielefeld doesn’t exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_conspiracy
One corner of China’s internet is insisting that the Tang Dynasty never existed
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
One look at what’s happening with vaccines and you’re disabused of healthy. It’s not. it’s insanity
It's a shame people are drifting from vaccines but the unwillingness of the WHO, etc., to backtrack on claims that turned out false with respect to Covid, does not help the cause. The sausage-making history that's coming out from Covid is also making people suspicious and one cannot blame them. Additionally, they've redefined that a pandemic is (removing severity from the definition), additionally it's expanding way…
> Additionally, they've redefined that a pandemic is (removing severity from the definition)
Over a million Americans died, but OK, that's not a severe problem...
Re: One corner of China’s internet is insisting that the Tang Dynasty never existed
#134Its a Chinese equivalent of the phantom time theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_conspiracy_theory Its just as silly as phantom time and covers almost exactly the same period. The motive is possibly racist which makes it more sinister.
Maybe it is healthy for society in the long run to have pockets of divergent belief. Most of the time it is groundless and fades away. Every so often it gains traction. If it is based in reality, we gain a better understanding. If it is misleading, it vitalizes a competing and more correct understanding. The more interesting phenomenon is that we are able to agree on anything at all, it's not exactly our strongest in…
No, it is literally a russian propaganda method.
Spread flat earth theories, get influencers to question if sunscreen is actually harmful, etc. Spread enough contradictory information so that gradually, people don't have any idea what to believe, and then they become susceptible to political misinformation, or just become completely politically disengaged.
It is not a sign of a healthy society at all, it is a disease.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think that's very much alike at all. Denying the existence of a major dynasty is like declaring that Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson didn't exist, and all the historical traditions and documents to the contrary were invented to cover up the two terms Jefferson Davis served in the White House. I've never seen even the most strenuous Lost Cause advocates say something like that, because why in the world woul…
> Denying the existence of a major dynasty is like declaring that Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson didn't exist There's a great difference of scale. Lincoln died about 150 years ago. There are voluminous primary sources about Lincoln - e.g. photographs of him, original documents that he wrote, firsthand accounts of his actions, etc. We certainly don't know every detail of his life, but we do know a lot of it, and w…
I get your point, but there are voluminous primary sources about the moon landings, and yet here we are.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
One look at what’s happening with vaccines and you’re disabused of healthy. It’s not. it’s insanity
It's a shame people are drifting from vaccines but the unwillingness of the WHO, etc., to backtrack on claims that turned out false with respect to Covid, does not help the cause. The sausage-making history that's coming out from Covid is also making people suspicious and one cannot blame them. Additionally, they've redefined that a pandemic is (removing severity from the definition), additionally it's expanding way…
> Additionally, they've redefined that a pandemic is (removing severity from the definition)
2009 pandemic H1N1 was not severe, and was called a pandemic.
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#137The same sort of arguments are playing out in the US, albeit on a shorter timescale. I couldn't say when it started, but it's extremely depressing that the history section in most general bookstores is just a locus for narrative warfare rather than scholarship. Of course, this phenomenon is by no means unique to these two countries. I know a Japanese author who has a small but dedicated following for his argument tha…
I’ve read plenty of good history/biography publishing in the past 50 years right up to last year. I’m not sure I understand your claim. Narrative warfare… I guess the question is, what isn’t “narrative warfare”?
Dispassionate search for and representation of truth?
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#138There are primary sources. There are archeological sites: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qianling_Mausoleum There are also histories written just after the Tang Dynasty had fallen. It was considered good form for a new dynasty to write a historical review of the previous one, and there are two retrospectives on Tang, e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Book_of_Tang And there is ironclad evidence from foreign sourc…
The Xia and Shang dynasties are necessary to exist in order to maintain the story of "5000 years of Chinese history" that is ingrained into Chinese students and repeated to anyone who will listen
Re: One corner of China’s internet is insisting that the Tang Dynasty never existed
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
One look at what’s happening with vaccines and you’re disabused of healthy. It’s not. it’s insanity
It's a shame people are drifting from vaccines but the unwillingness of the WHO, etc., to backtrack on claims that turned out false with respect to Covid, does not help the cause. The sausage-making history that's coming out from Covid is also making people suspicious and one cannot blame them. Additionally, they've redefined that a pandemic is (removing severity from the definition), additionally it's expanding way…
> legally binding mandates that supersede sovereignty.
What jurisdiction and enforcement mechanism?
Re: One corner of China’s internet is insisting that the Tang Dynasty never existed
#140The same sort of arguments are playing out in the US, albeit on a shorter timescale. I couldn't say when it started, but it's extremely depressing that the history section in most general bookstores is just a locus for narrative warfare rather than scholarship. Of course, this phenomenon is by no means unique to these two countries. I know a Japanese author who has a small but dedicated following for his argument tha…
I’ve read plenty of good history/biography publishing in the past 50 years right up to last year. I’m not sure I understand your claim. Narrative warfare… I guess the question is, what isn’t “narrative warfare”?
I have a theory that "narrative warfare" doesn't exist, and it's all just faulty emanations of the single truth from the primordial creation blasting into our craniums in haphazard and mutually contradictory ways.
I'll write a book about it. See you in your local bookstore!