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Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by izacus »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #113
izacus wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either way works - I'd still prefer the scammers to be liable and persecuted for their scamming than demanding that platforms enact censorship and policeing control.

The platform: 1. Takes money from the scammer 2. Tells the scammer how to target people 3. Serves the scam to the consumer, ensuring they see it 4. Takes a cut of the action when the scam is successful 5. Tells the scammer how to optimize their campaign 6. Continues working with scammers after they're reported The scammer has a fairly small part in the overall operation. The platform is doing almost all of the actual…

This is some awfully twisted logic to defend scammers and fraudsters.

Your whole chain stops being relevant if you actually persecute criminals with the same gusto as Disney jackboots anyone voilating their IP.

Instead you demand megacorps to start scanning content and censoring people.

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by izacus »

Alpha3031 wrote: post #115
izacus wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either way works - I'd still prefer the scammers to be liable and persecuted for their scamming than demanding that platforms enact censorship and policeing control.

Normally, if there is sufficient evidence, both the mob boss and the ground level gangster are liable and criminally responsible for their crimes. You are free to disagree, but I don't see any reason why big tech companies should be completely immune from any and all responsibility for facilitating and taking a cut of the criminal activity taken on their territory. You are also free to call it censorship, but I am no…

With your dictions, why the heck do you want the mob boss to be the cop deciding what you're allowed to do?

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by Alpha3031 »

izacus wrote: post #132
Alpha3031 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Normally, if there is sufficient evidence, both the mob boss and the ground level gangster are liable and criminally responsible for their crimes. You are free to disagree, but I don't see any reason why big tech companies should be completely immune from any and all responsibility for facilitating and taking a cut of the criminal activity taken on their territory. You are also free to call it censorship, but I am no…

With your dictions, why the heck do you want the mob boss to be the cop deciding what you're allowed to do?

I want the mob boss to face legal consequences.

If they choose to get out of the business of facilitating crime because of that then so be it.

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by Crestwave »

inigyou wrote: post #126
userbinator wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it shouldn't be necessary, nor is "can" any reasonable defense. The same goes for the BS about "open standard" web that is actually just Google-controlled and churning constantly to anticompetitively maintain their monopoly.

Well I don't think it should be necessary to use HTML to read your comments, but here we are. Why don't you make a de-JSing Google proxy? Like SearX-NG?

HN has an official API that returns JSON objects.

Meanwhile Google actively blocks and attempts to pursue legal action against scrapers. Not to mention prohibiting it through TOS (getting your Google account revoked can be life-ruining for many people).

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by Alpha3031 »

izacus wrote: post #131
AlotOfReading wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The platform: 1. Takes money from the scammer 2. Tells the scammer how to target people 3. Serves the scam to the consumer, ensuring they see it 4. Takes a cut of the action when the scam is successful 5. Tells the scammer how to optimize their campaign 6. Continues working with scammers after they're reported The scammer has a fairly small part in the overall operation. The platform is doing almost all of the actual…

This is some awfully twisted logic to defend scammers and fraudsters. Your whole chain stops being relevant if you actually persecute criminals with the same gusto as Disney jackboots anyone voilating their IP. Instead you demand megacorps to start scanning content and censoring people.

Disney is able to jackboot anyone violating their IP because the DMCA imposes liability on big tech companies if they do not comply with a valid request. The comment you initially replied to proposes imposing such liability for fraud also, which you appear to be adamantly opposed to.

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by inigyou »

throwaway613746 wrote: post #54
dmix wrote: post #30

DMCA needs to be reformed one day.

Copyright should be abolished.

That would probably cause some kind of massive economic shock and/or collapse at this point. But we can think about how to improve it.

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by inigyou »

echelon wrote: post #67
layer8 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google’s moat is that websites aren’t blocking their crawler.

The once unthinkable is now changing. https://nypost.com/2026/07/22/business/reddit-news-outlets-w... https://www.wsj.com/business/media/google-search-publishers-...

Cloudflare has just announced that it's about to start blocking Googlebot by default, because it's an AI crawler.

To which, I cannot say with enough emphasis: OUCH. This kills Google Search. All hail Cloudflare Search, the new center of the internet!

Re: Judge Rejects Google's Attempt to DMCA Its Way Out of Being Scraped

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Post by inigyou »

WarmWash wrote: post #88
echelon wrote: post #17

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Google has no moat anymore. - Google search is on the way out. I don't know any of my peers who use it anymore. - Coding models make doing extreme depth of work possible. - Hoards of unemployed engineers now have access to 10x coding utilities and are looking for things to do. They will start clawing away at Google products. - Just the other day, someone cloned Google Gsuite and it looked awesome - Drive and Search w…

Google's most is that people use ad-block and back-door subscriptions. Every competitor dies in the womb because "subscriptions are bs and ads are cancer" is totally normalized. If you want Google to fall, start giving ad-loads or money to companies trying to compete.

Or offer good value for money. I subscribe to Kagi and a few online newspapers. If you let me pay $10 every month for access to every online newspaper I'd take that offer.

But you can't be shit and also charge a subscription. There has to be good stuff behind the subscription.

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