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Re: Making

#131
A thought experiment:

Suppose there were two Hacker News's. One version guarantees only 100% human made content and comments, with no LLM in the pipeline at all. The other version is the opposite, only LLM (assisted or 100%) content and comments. Human-only content is disallowed.

Which version would you prefer to be part of?

Re: Making

#132
> I gain a lot of fulfillment by making things. I don't consider things built by others at my request to be made by me, and are therefore much less fulfilling. And then I feel sad.

I've been wondering about this. Nobody would argue that Peter Jackson didn't make the Lord of the Rings movies, even though he was just telling other people what to do. Though depending on the degree of autonomy you give the AI, you start being less Director and more Producer? (Rick Rubin: "I have no actual musical ability [... only] confidence in my taste.")

Not defending either position, just trying to make sense of this strange new world.

Yesterday I unplugged the internet for a few hours and spent them programming "the old way", and found it quite painful, but also deeply satisfying. It's kind of like cardio. If I stop doing it for too long, I start to feel a little gross.

Re: Making

#134
> Carpentry: Please replace my front deck.

I've been thinking, the way things are going with robotics it won't be long until you can vibe code a house. Arguably you already can, it's just very expensive, because most of the work is done by humans.

Re: Making

#135
post #9

I have been using vi/vim for 30 years and I had no idea about using ^K-M to insert an em-dash.

Same here, and to anyone trying it out for the first time and confused why it's not working:

    - insert mode
    - that is a (typed) dash between Ctrl+K and M
    - uppercase M (aside: the K can be upper or lower case)

Re: Making

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The restaurant comparison doesn't really hold up. The parent didn't go choose from a menu of new apps that they wanted AI to create. They discovered a problem or a feature that doesn't exist on other platforms and they employed tools to create that. Does a product manager not get to claim they "made" something because they plan it out and employ others to actually build the finished product? Both of the examples the…

No, product managers do not get to claim they made something. They led a team that made something.

As a programmer I wrote my app TheseusA by hand. As a product manager I vibe-coded my other app TheseusB. Then I had my LLM port TheseusA to Python, while I ported TheseusB to Python by hand and deleted the original codebases.

Do I get to claim I made the Python TheseusA, or TheseusB, or neither or both?

Re: Making

#137
> I did use Claude to learn some basics, like the easiest way to get the data out of a Google Sheet

You can still use it like this, it's a super power, using it as a tool it's like wearing the iron man suite. Imo using it to 100% write the code it's like telling bumb ai iron man what to do

Re: Making

#139
post #20

I know many people agree but I can’t really follow this sentiment. I can still take pride in something I “made” with an LLM even if I did not write a single line of code for it. I wouldn’t show it around and proclaim what a great programmer I am, because I did not program it, but coding was never the main goal, it was always the means to create the finished end product. When I plan a remake of my garden and then hire…

> coding was never the main goal, it was always the means to create the finished end product

I think that's the main difference. For many of us, the process and how we grow through that process really is as important as, if not more important than, the result

Re: Making

#140

I think some people are drawn to technical careers because they like details and others are drawn to them because they like systems (now people are drawn for money too, but I'm talking about people who are more technically oriented). My theory is that if you are a systems person you find using LLMs fun and fulfilling and if you are a details person you find that they are the opposite. I have an acquaintance who is fa…

> My theory is that if you are a systems person you find using LLMs fun and fulfilling and if you are a details person you find that they are the opposite.

There was echoed by Andrej Karpathy: “LLM coding will split up engineers based on those who primarily liked coding and those who primarily liked building.”

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