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Re: Nano Banana 2 Lite

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Post by topgrain2 »

Groxx wrote: post #65
etdznots wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Quite a few times I've seen permanent light fixtures that don't exist, vents that don't exist, room sizes that are obviously implied to be much larger than reality (e.g. they show a full-size bed, but there's only like 4 feet of space in that location), etc. I don't particularly mind fake furniture, but if it's very much not to scale I think it's pushing "probably fraud". And when permanent fixtures are fabricated, "…

I was seeing the fake light fixtures in listing photos at least four years ago.

Fake furniture is bad enough (the scale issue you mention is the main problem) but fake parts of the house should definitely be illegal.

Re: Nano Banana 2 Lite

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Post by ssl-3 »

dotancohen wrote: post #102
thewebguyd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you do get the privilege of seeing the unit in person, yeah. This is obviously the case for most home sales. But there are plenty of rental markets where you can be forced to rent without seeing that exact unit first. Common in big complexes, where you might get shown a "similar unit" or in markets where rental vacancy is so low that if you don't apply & sign within hours, you aren't getting that apartment becau…

If the industry is currently so favourable to the landlord, then why would they need to alter images in the first place?

Because it's all about revenue, and falsehoods help justify even higher prices.

Re: Nano Banana 2 Lite

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Post by apinstein »

psygn89 wrote: post #19
torginus wrote: post #17

The first example of generating home interiors fills me with indescribable hatred. Recently real estate agents have taken to running every dilapidated unsellable apartment through these AI filters, and you have to scroll through a dozen of these Ikea-chic images of what the apartment presumably could look like, before you are allowed to see the horrors they are trying to peddle at insane prices.

I think that should be illegal and misrepresenting. Lots of gray area with AI usage.

It’s pretty much always been against the rules of the mls to use altered photos. Pre ai, people would sometimes get busted for making grass where there was none, or making walls with cracks a solid color. It’s not allowed to alter condition of property.

Staging and virtual staging (including sky replacement and removal of trash cans) are allowed so long as they don’t alter the true nature of the salable property.

I am surprised that AI hasn’t been policed more. Probably they just don’t have the ops for it.

Re: Nano Banana 2 Lite

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Post by apinstein »

pkaye wrote: post #128
a1000regrets wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what is considered original? AI enhancements built into the camera will be part of the original?

I imagine if these cameras are adding or remove furniture, appliances or modifying flooring or the landscaping via AI it will be a problem. Edit: also if it becomes a big problem, in the future the law could be changed so that the real estate agent becomes liable to cover the cost of upgrading the property to match the altered image.

I mean it’s already fraud to do so today… you cannot misrepresent the condition of a property. I think the harm so far has just been wasted time and thus no standing for lawsuits yet.

Re: Nano Banana 2 Lite

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Post by timr »

uejfiweun wrote: post #10
timr wrote: post #6

It's sort of amazing that Grok's image model beats Nano Banana on nearly every one of the metrics they chose to highlight.

... does it? Are you seeing something I'm not seeing? Number one is that this just doesn't appear to be true (non-lite versions beat it across the board it seems), number two is that this specifically is a low-cost bulk model and not a SOTA frontier model, of course the benchmarks are lower.

It’s not a universal win, but grok outperforms on 2 of the metrics, and is close on a third.

Image editing: banana 1308, grok 1329

Image generation: banana 1251, grok 1174 (grok loses, but is close)

Cost: banana 3.4 cents, grok 2 cents

Grok is a good image model, so it isn’t totally surprising, but it’s weird that they’d pick a set of metrics where they’re not the clear winner.

Re: Nano Banana 2 Lite

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Post by chatmasta »

minimaxir wrote: post #5

I received early access to test this model. (through work — Google still does not like me personally lol) It works as advertised here, and it does behave like a distilled Nano Banana 2 with respect to certain elements such as good text rendering, which Nano Banana 1 does much worse with. It is definitely not at the level of the base Nano Banana 2 of course particularly with highly-nuanced prompts. My main criticism i…

Can it make diagrams that can be imported into .pptx or google slides as actual diagrams (SVG in PowerPoint I guess) i.e. you can move the components, there are real arrows, etc… or does it strictly produce raster images?

Fable is the first model I found that can actually produce such diagrams in slides, in .pptx format that exports cleanly and consistently to Google slides, and is also able to iterate on those diagrams with specific feedback like “center align the arrow with the blue pill on the left which should be vertically aligned inside the dashed database container and make the arrow terminate in the left edge vertical center of the light blue object storage container.”

Re: Nano Banana 2 Lite

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Post by chatmasta »

charcircuit wrote: post #67

At least from this page it looks like the images generated don't have a watermark on them. Hopefully there isn't an invisible one either.

The article says that all images have SynthID watermark which is invisible mark indicating the image was AI generated.

Why would you prefer otherwise? Seems like tragedy of the commons to release flood of unmarked AI generation images, among many other risks.

Re: Nano Banana 2 Lite

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Post by ryandrake »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #130
thewebguyd wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it seems nobody is enforcing consumer protections like they used to I'll preface this by saying that I don't agree with how things are working currently. But, the way the existing protections get enforced is by an individual or group of individuals filing lawsuits. Our regulatory agencies have either been completely gutted by DOGE, or just no longer have an appetite to do any kind of proactive enforcement, so its n…

> just no longer have an appetite to do any kind of proactive enforcement The overturning of the Chevron doctrine removed the ability of the government to do many kinds of proactive enforcement. > Part of me feels like this is intentional and by design It is absolutely intentional and by design. It aligns with other recent changes in the legal landscape, such as ending the ability for lower federal courts to issue na…

You basically cannot enforce any laws on corporations when Republicans are in control. ~50% of voters decided that they should be able to do literally anything they want and Buyer Beware is a good way to structure society and commerce.

Re: Nano Banana 2 Lite

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Post by JeremyHerrman »

timr wrote: post #6

It's sort of amazing that Grok's image model beats Nano Banana on nearly every one of the metrics they chose to highlight.

I was surprised with how well grok imagine performed when reviewing fast image generation. It balances quality, speed and cost really well with under $0.02 per 1K image within a few seconds.

Re: Nano Banana 2 Lite

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Post by breezybottom »

dotancohen wrote: post #102
thewebguyd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you do get the privilege of seeing the unit in person, yeah. This is obviously the case for most home sales. But there are plenty of rental markets where you can be forced to rent without seeing that exact unit first. Common in big complexes, where you might get shown a "similar unit" or in markets where rental vacancy is so low that if you don't apply & sign within hours, you aren't getting that apartment becau…

If the industry is currently so favourable to the landlord, then why would they need to alter images in the first place?

No one said they "need" to. But there is more generally more than one landlord in a market, and they might feel pressured to keep up with their competitors' use of AI.
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