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NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by ianm218 »

expedition32 wrote: post #125
medlazik wrote: post #29

AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

The US has gone all in on AI because it is one of the few things in which they still have an advantage over Asian countries. I wouldn't use the word pathetic but rather "desperation".

So is your position that i.e. the Five Eyes [1] cyber security leaders are just pretending that AI cyber security is a serious thing to play into the geopolitical east vs. west thing and its not genuine?

It just feels like people are starting to reach for conspiracy theories rather than engage with the idea that these models might actually be dangerous.

[1]. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5936339-ai-cybersecuri...

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by zb3 »

> That contract has not been finalized, and some Pentagon officials want the N.S.A. to find a way to work with other models.

Good, fsck NSA, that's the last organization I'd ever want to have access to Mythos. I hope this administration's incompetence will prevent them from regaining access for as long as possible

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by zb3 »

speff wrote: post #109
ransom1538 wrote: post #101

NSA has produced nothing. Does nothing. Why don't we just have them pick up garbage on the freeway to help out the tax payers? Let Anthropic and other adults push spying forward.

Ghidra comes to mind

Ghidra is good, but would they release it if it was not for the leaks?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by ianm218 »

bflesch wrote: post #40
medlazik wrote: post #29

AI marketing bullshit stunts are unlike anything I've seen in 30 years. It started with MS Copilot so called capabilities for work, which were completely made up use cases that didn't work at all (3 years later still). We've had OpenAI "AGI is coming" and "AI will take your job", now we have Mythos being so "dangerous" for cybersecurity, which of course makes the average Joe interpret it as Anthropic being "the bette…

We should seriously reframe this whole AI thing to "SI = simulated intelligence". It's google in a box. Great achievement, makes knowledge work faster, but please stop bothering everyone else. The Uber and Groupon people became billionaires, so the "Simulated Intelligence" folks will also achieve it. No need to worry and drown everyone in these bs stories only non-tech people believe.

Can you describe your experience using modern AI tools that led to this conclusion? It is hard for me to wrap my head around how my perception could be so different from someone else in presumably the same or similar profession. I'm not asking this in bad faith either but I think your getting downvoted because your comment comes off as a pretty strong assertion without giving details on how you got there.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by kelnos »

hk__2 wrote: post #6
wan23 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstand - the government issued a directive to Anthropic that effectively forced them to pull access from everyone, even their own employees.

The directive was to remove access to non-Americans, not to pull access from everyone. It’s because Anthropic cannot verify the identity of its users that it pulled access from everyone, not because the government explicitely requested that.

Yes that's what "effectively" means.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by ceejayoz »

parineum wrote: post #39
ai_critic wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://blog.encrypt.me/2013/11/05/ssl-added-and-removed-her... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A Yeah, they did (and probably do).

How are they going to MITM communications with certs that never left my machine? Are you suggesting they broke TLS or that they've somehow acquired every private cert generated?

How closely have you reviewed your browser's list of default trusted CAs?

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by kelnos »

aleqs wrote: post #50
strictnein wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just not technically feasible, so there's nothing to lie about. They're not MITMing petabytes/sec across dozens (hundreds?) of companies and they haven't broken TLS1.3. If I have a box at Digital Ocean and I'm communicating with it with TLS1.3 using a Let's Encrypt cert that I generated, where, exactly, does this magical MITM box come into play?

Of course it's feasible, you just intercept the traffic post-decryption on the cloud/server side. You don't control how/where your traffic to 3p cloud services is decrypted.

You keep saying this, but it's nonsensical. If I terminate TLS on the box that does processing, there's nothing to intercept.

And these days (especially post-Snowden), many (most?) companies encrypt data when sending between servers within their own (private network) infrastructure.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by kelnos »

chews wrote: post #23
strictnein wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company No, they don't.

[flagged]

That sounds like a lot of unsubstantiated, circumstantial, conspiracy-theory nonsense.

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by baq »

zb3 wrote: post #132

> That contract has not been finalized, and some Pentagon officials want the N.S.A. to find a way to work with other models. Good, fsck NSA, that's the last organization I'd ever want to have access to Mythos. I hope this administration's incompetence will prevent them from regaining access for as long as possible

It’ll be the first organization to get access to Epic/Saga/Legend/Bible/Torah/Sutra/Vedan/whatever the Mythos+1 is called - and it might be the only one with this privilege

Re: NSA lost access to Mythos amid Anthropic dispute

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Post by kelnos »

john_strinlai wrote: post #90
micromacrofoot wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the NSA isn't a bunch of super soldiers, they're cops with too much access, it doesn't take a genius to outsmart a cop

> they're cops with too much access, it doesn't take a genius to outsmart a cop the nsa has an unlimited budget and spend a good portion of that budget recruiting some of the smartest people in the country. while they dont have super powers, they also arent the town cop who took a 6 month course after high school then joined the force. it does no good to hold them up as mythical figures. it also does no good to prete…

> the nsa has an unlimited budget

No they don't, and if you're going to try to argue something with that as your opener, it very easily casts large amounts of skepticism on whatever you are about to say.

Perhaps you're exaggerating for effect, but that also undermines your point.

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