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BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by stymaar »

alkonaut wrote: post #130
stymaar wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was definitely using simplifying assumptions to get my point straight here. Setting the actual parameters for such systems is an engineering job, I just wanted to illustrate that the goal isn't going to have the charging station off the grid during peak hours thanks to the batteries, and more about managing the burden you put on the grid.

Yeah that's why it probably needs to be more than 1 charge in the battery. Unless you do N back-to-back charges during peak time, the charger isn't utilized enough. And to do N back to back charges you need about N car batteries as buffer.

If you have full usage of your charger, then batteries are pointless anyway because you have steady usage no matter what.

But it's not a realistic assumption, at the very least the driver has to park, get out of their car, plug the car, spend some time on the payment interface, then unplug the car and leave.

So even in the maximum theoretical scenario where drivers are lining up at the charging station, your charger isn't going above 80% utilization. Using a single car battery, you can save 20% in terms of connection to the grid (you “just” need a 800kW connection instead of a 1MW one), and you aren't nearly as much of a nuisance to the grid as if you were having constant ups and down of 1MW.

In practice there will a be a trade off between how much you save in connection infrastructure to the grid and how much you spend on batteries, and this calculation will depends a lot on the usage pattern.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by madaxe_again »

ErneX wrote: post #124
christkv wrote: post #72

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Ban them. Beyond cars is the fact that somehow its ok to buy unregulated chinese made products following no safety standards of the EU on temu, shein, aliexpress etc allowing them to skip all the costs of producing safe consumer goods in the EU. Ban all of them or put a 1000% tariff on all of the items. To long the EU has been followed the financial interests of German industry and their dealings in China. Since that…

How about we compete instead? It’s likely that for them it’s going to be cheaper to manufacture in some Europeans countries than in China soon enough. It’s appalling. And suggesting we will fix things by banning stuff in my opinion is just delaying the inevitable anyway. They are making better vehicles at better prices.

Hard to do so. BYD rely quite heavily on slave labour, sorry, workers receiving free cultural re-education, which keeps production costs low.

In fact, they’re currently being investigated for it in both Brazil and Hungary.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by AngryData »

zulux wrote: post #78
Grombobulous wrote: post #59

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That was the irony, that the US accuses China of stealing IP with the assumption that US IP is superior. Now the tables have turned and China is the country with the superior IP.

China has better execution. China's aviation, chip, space, and military tech are weaker than those of the West.

But at the end of the day nobody cares that much about what could possibly be produced, they care a lot about what is actually produced.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by tpm »

Yizahi wrote: post #102
gcanyon wrote: post #5

As an American, I'm going to be really sad when we miss this transition. Maybe there's still time?

As a European, US will probably overtake Europe on EVs soon and fast. You have two unique differences to many other countries - a lot of population lives in private houses or condos, where they can just plug in EV in a regular socket without much changes. And US has a sprawling net of private solar installations which will stimulate EVs even more as soon as people will wake up to bills they incur. And lastly US has a…

US will not overtake the EU on EVs in the near future.

> Norway's experience can't and won't be transferred to other countries

It's already been transfered to Denmark - close to 100% of private sales there are EVs, businesses are a bit lower. Sweden and Finland are between 40-50%, Netherlands and Belgium close to 40%. The major markets of France and Germany along with Austria and Portugal are 25% to 30%. Italy, Spain and central/eastern Europe are much lower, but that will change too. Altogether the EU is at around 20% EVs of the total passenger car market (ignoring PHEVs and the other hybrids as those are ultimately dead ends). This will continue to rise because of the fleet emission fines which make ICEs more expensive, together with carmakers creating cheaper EVs and more factories opening.

The USA is at 5%.

China is at 40%.

And the continually updated source of these numbers is here:

https://robbieandrew.github.io/carsales/

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by red-iron-pine »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #118
tonyarkles wrote: post #116

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That's the thing about SK... we do actually have a pretty significant hydro investment. Problem is that the untapped hydro resources are quite remote. We can't really extract a whole lot more energy out of the South Saskatchewan River without causing upstream and downstream problems. My own research and modelling basically showed... if we're going to remain energy independent (i.e. the ability for SaskPower to power…

It's strange to me that nuclear isn't a bigger mix in Sask with the Uranium industry so big there. Related, it seems like the only pull that nuclear is getting in AB as an adjunct support for the fossil fuel industry, to help with oil sands extraction. Which just shows how distorted the political-economic system is at this point.

big oil has been calling the shots in n america since oil was discovered. new boss is same as the old boss, etc.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by vel0city »

lukan wrote: post #103
vel0city wrote: post #24

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You must be confused with the Jeep recall where even parked cars just spotaneously catch fire. It's insane to me how so many people bring up the idea of EVs catching fire when ICE vehicles are constantly having recalls for spontaneously catching fire. I've had multiple recalls on multiple ICE cars advising me to not park the car near my house. I haven't with my EV.

It is almost as if gasoline is not a total safe material either.

Its almost like there's some kind of risk in carrying around a pile of easy to use high energy materials, who would have thought.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by red-iron-pine »

pjc50 wrote: post #29
Grombobulous wrote: post #7

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It will happen. My guess is that Canada is BYD’s pilot into the US. They have very similar buyer characteristics and the Canadian tariff deal allows them to enter the market without taking the risks of local factories. It won’t take much to get BYD access to the US. It’s a two-step process: - Toss a million bucks at Trump or wait for a Democratic administration - Build a plant in Alabama/Tennessee/South Carolina/Geor…

I suspect America will continue to be weird about China until one of three things happens: - a new Great Power enemy is selected; it would make sense for this to be Russia, but India is also a candidate - some sort of face-saving moral victory is achieved which allows the US to continue feeling superior and not threatened by China's capability (unclear what this might look like) - Xi dies and his replacement launches…

none of those points matter so long as Taiwan is a discussion point

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by red-iron-pine »

varispeed wrote: post #30

So if China attacks Taiwan and NATO intervenes, how Canada will ensure BYD will not remotely brick the charging infrastructure or will not make cars suddenly speed up and crash into oncoming traffic?

NATO cannot be called in to defend Taiwan. NATO article 6 makes this perfectly clear:

"For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack: on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America... [or] on the islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer..."

The US may invoke ANZUS or treaties with Japan and SK.

If China attacks the US directly, such as attacks on US soil, that might change, but it is highly unlikely that NATO would ever get directly involved.

Re: BYD is bringing its 5-min 'Flash' electric car charging to Canada

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Post by bryanlarsen »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #82
yabones wrote: post #79

Seems like a good plan. Canada has the third largest hydroelectric power production in the world, and quite a bit of nuclear, so let's use it properly. People talk about transmission infrastructure like it's difficult, but we're the ones who made the ~5,000 KM HVDC system that feeds the northern US from James Bay! I don't see why we can't quickly electrify transportation, it's the kind of project Canada seems to be p…

I mean, this is hiding a lot of geographic reality. You're using the word Canada pretty broadly here, when the reality is that the left-half of the country past Ontario (or arguably Quebec) is pretty shit in this regard. Quebec has that hydroelectric power production. And their power grid is cheap and pretty clean. And their government and populace is highly pro-EV and yeah, it's great. Ontario a bit second to that b…

Doug Ford has a plan to spend most of a trillion dollars on nuclear to ensure that our power becomes the most expensive.
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