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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by impulser_ »

ceejayoz wrote: post #98
impulser_ wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it doesn't at all. Private corporations shouldn't be telling the government what it can and can't do. That's the job of the people. You want private corporation overriding your vote?

> Private corporations shouldn't be telling the government what it can and can't do. So Google can't tell the government it needs a warrant to perform a search? Google can't sue over something the government did? It's Google's product they want to buy.

I'm talking about lawful, like it written in the terms.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by somenameforme »

Jtarii wrote: post #63
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you are working with your government does not mean what you’re doing is necessarily immoral, either.

Hegseth bombed a girls school in Iran last month. I think it's fair to doubt the moral worth of anyone assisting this admin.

I don't think that was intentional, but invading countries while trying to distract them with negotiations, randomly assassinating leaders and hoping everything just turns out well, threatening to "destroy civilizations", targeting bridges and more, all while aiding and abetting Israel which is intentionally destroying pharmaceutical, educational, and other such civilian institutions is all 100% intentional.

In some ways worse than bombing the school was the effort to implicitly deny it. The school was near a military facility, and itself was a military facility in the past. US intelligence screwed up. They should have simply acknowledged what happened and why. Their response just reeked of cowardice and malice at the highest level.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by smallmancontrov »

tombert wrote: post #5

When my sister and I would play monopoly as kids, we had lost the manual so whenever we didn’t like the outcome of whatever happened, we would make up rules about what was right. Technically then, it was very easy stay compliant while still being able to do well because we could rewrite the rules. Also, since I was older I feel like I was able to get away with those redefinitions a lot more often…

The word "lawful" always seems to get dragged out when people in power are doing some especially heinous rulemaking, like throwing a hissy fit over a single company trying to voluntarily draw a line at domestic surveillance and fully automated killchains.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by conartist6 »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #119
conartist6 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You should probably give this a second look: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If speaking vigorously in defense of morality is wrong, I guess that's something I'll just have to live with.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by ceejayoz »

impulser_ wrote: post #131
ceejayoz wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Private corporations shouldn't be telling the government what it can and can't do. So Google can't tell the government it needs a warrant to perform a search? Google can't sue over something the government did? It's Google's product they want to buy.

I'm talking about lawful, like it written in the terms.

But Google isn't, apparently, permitted to object "that's not lawful".

And again, it's Google's product. Why can't they set conditions? If I pay Google to host my email, I'm still subject to their policies.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by [deleted] »

nradov wrote: post #130
Forgeties79 wrote: post #102

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So we are wrong to express any opposition or desire to maybe raise the bar here? Aren’t we supposed to be “the good guys”? Or should we just accept a role as the menace of the world, wildly throwing its weight around whenever we have an unscrupulous president?

Those questions are moot. There are situations where it's simply impossible to have a human in the loop because reaction time is too slow or the environment is too dangerous or communication links are unreliable. Russia is deploying fully autonomous weapons to attack Ukraine today and they will be selling those weapons (or licensing the technology) to their allies. There is no option to stop. And let's please not hav…

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Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by ctoth »

jcgrillo wrote: post #4

It's pretty funny how these guys are all becoming some kind of internet version of, like, Halliburton. It seems pretty desperate. B2C and B2B applications didn't pan out I guess?

The thing is we're in a new Cold War, and most of our adversaries have gotten the memo and most of us ... haven't. Yes, becoming a new Halliburton is a rational move if you see the board right now. I don't like it even one tiny bit.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by fooker »

orochimaaru wrote: post #39
anematode wrote: post #28

Who could have seen this one coming. From yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-pentagon-classified-u... ("Hundreds of Google workers urge CEO to refuse classified AI work with Pentagon"). Any AI researcher who continues to work here is morally compromised.

Why is it morally wrong for a US citizen to work with their government?

Because, we have pretty convincing historical precedent that 'just following orders' does not work as a defense when your government does something indefensible.

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by josefx »

orochimaaru wrote: post #39
anematode wrote: post #28

Who could have seen this one coming. From yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-pentagon-classified-u... ("Hundreds of Google workers urge CEO to refuse classified AI work with Pentagon"). Any AI researcher who continues to work here is morally compromised.

Why is it morally wrong for a US citizen to work with their government?

What makes you think that Googles AI experts are US citizens?

Re: Google and Pentagon reportedly agree on deal for 'any lawful' use of AI

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Post by plytow »

ctoth wrote: post #137
jcgrillo wrote: post #4

It's pretty funny how these guys are all becoming some kind of internet version of, like, Halliburton. It seems pretty desperate. B2C and B2B applications didn't pan out I guess?

The thing is we're in a new Cold War, and most of our adversaries have gotten the memo and most of us ... haven't. Yes, becoming a new Halliburton is a rational move if you see the board right now. I don't like it even one tiny bit.

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