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Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by christina97 »

cypherpunks01 wrote: post #54
laweijfmvo wrote: post #37

So can Amazon file a claim with the Us government for compensation? Does their insurance cover this? Or do they just eat the loss?

US gov is not going to reimburse a private company for war damage caused by a sovereign country. Property insurance generally has war exclusions, insurance co will deny claims. Unless there is some affordable magic 100% war damage coverage policy sold in the middle east, which is doubtful, no insurer would be able to successfully underwrite anything like that. The company eats the losses and the recovery efforts it w…

No the US government legitimately sells this kind of insurance (and reinsurance):

https://www.dfc.gov/what-we-offer/our-products/political-ris...

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by toyg »

geraneum wrote: post #84
greggoB wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It (normally) has an effect on the military calculus - e.g. if the US weren't allowed to have military bases in these countries, the possibility to take such action seems less plausible.

Correct, but that's not my point. My point is whether the Gulf States can realistically dictate what the US does. Perhaps they can affect US actions, but I doubt it's that cut and dried.

Nobody can realistically maintain bases in a country without some sort of agreement with the local government (and a certain level of tolerance from the population at large) or an expensive full-on occupation. As far as I know, there is a single US base on a territory where the local government does not want it (Guantanamo, Cuba), literally on the doorstep - anywhere else would be prohibitive to maintain long-term hostile occupation.

Everything else is maintained and operated in agreement with local authorities - which is why the US, at the moment, cannot use Spanish bases and Diego Garcia to wage war on Iran. Even Saudi bases have been blocked in the past (notably to invade Iraq).

Without long-term bases, it becomes extremely difficult to project power with continuity. Can you still do the occasional special op, like killing Osama? Sure, but you can't do things like ensuring free navigation (and hence the flow of resources and goods) and signal intelligence gets so much harder.

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by someguynamedq »

FpUser wrote: post #96
patmorgan23 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think we became the dominant species by being independent loners, or by forming complex interdependent groups?

I said "independent to the degree possible", not absolutely. I do not live in a binary world. I accept things in between. Being part of group should be voluntary, not forced What I definitely do not want is my life to be dictated by a few imbeciles at the top who are bought by large corps to pretend to be "by the people for the people".

Isn't it expected that in a system that favors individualism over collectivism that a few people will be able to amass disproportionately more wealth and power than everyone else with no incentive or societally enforced responsibility to share that wealth and power, thus creating a society were your life is dictated by a few imbeciles at the top, not who are not bought by large corps, but who own the large corps?

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by ceejayoz »

detourdog wrote: post #129
ceejayoz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible to be both literate and backwards.

IF there literacy rate is 94% then it makes sense that Amazon wants them as customers.

> there literacy rate

Uh oh.

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by tokioyoyo »

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wrote: post #58
tokioyoyo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, how are gay couples treated in Japan? People are conservative here, so no marriage, but from all gay couples I know here, they’re doing fine. Now, you can talk about PDA, but that kinda includes the straight couples as well to a point.

"people are conservative". Perfect, not allowing same sex marriage is now "conservative". This is how fickle people are, perfect example. Edit: Just as a side note, I saw western people bend over backwards to please people when I went to Japan. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy some treatment they get will be positive when you behave in such a way (like a guy bowing 5 times just for getting his photo taken, stuff…

Man, what are you on about? Conservatism here is much different than NA’s conservatism. Japan has a lot of problems, but the ones you’re rambling about are kinda… weird?

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by toyg »

geraneum wrote: post #116
guerrilla wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course it isn't. In reality, being able to resist requires power. I gave examples of it actually happening. If sandal-wearing Houthis can resist, then well-funded oil states can as well. The Taliban beat the US. In fact, very few people have failed at ejecting the US from the country when they tried if you think back. The US tends to lose a lot.

> I gave examples of it actually happening. Ironically Yemen (Houthis) are fighting not only with US but against other gulf sates like Saudi Arabia as well. It's not really an example that demonstrates unity in gulf. > The Taliban beat the US. Taliban, brought to you by US of A to combat Soviet Union's influence! Well, it seems they are done beating US and are now busy beating Afghan women. > The US tends to lose a l…

> Do they really?

Vietnam. Afghanistan. Iraq (it's an Iran proxy now). Korea was a stalemate.

Pretty much every time the US goes alone against a medium-sized country, it doesn't end in victory.

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by augusto-moura »

tiew9Vii wrote: post #13
VoidWarranty wrote: post #2

Not to be insensitive about the humanitarian and economic situation, but, I am curious why there are data centers in that region at all? It just seems horribly inefficient from a cooling and electricity standpoint. Not to mention water. My pessimistic assumption is that Amazon said "yes" to handouts from regional government efforts to be relevant in tech, and that those data centers dont really matter to anyone but l…

Middle East isn’t some 3rd world. If you can imagine futuristic cities, rich Middle East countries are already living in them with all the oil wealth. They have phones, computers, digital services just like the US and Europe. Makes sense they want a data center in the region, close to them just like the US and Europe have data enters close to their users.

Even 3rd world have those nowadays, unless you talking the more troubled of countries. TBH "3rd world" as a concept is quite outdated.

I'm a bit skeptical on how "futuristic" the cities are. There's a lot of money, sure, but from I can tell the projects are pharaonic in a lot of ways, including being out of touch with the practicality of such projects.

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by adjejmxbdjdn »

VoidWarranty wrote: post #2

Not to be insensitive about the humanitarian and economic situation, but, I am curious why there are data centers in that region at all? It just seems horribly inefficient from a cooling and electricity standpoint. Not to mention water. My pessimistic assumption is that Amazon said "yes" to handouts from regional government efforts to be relevant in tech, and that those data centers dont really matter to anyone but l…

They have the cheapest oil in the world and in the future (and present) they will likely have cheap solar energy.

And until this fine misadventure, it was also possible they would get extremely cheap nuclear energy.

Given that the Gulf is fairly central, has tremendous flight connectivity, has tremendous capacity for business and business conference growth, Dubai was only looking to increase its share of global finance, law, and other major services, is a major center of shipping, is a region that has neutral to friendly relations with nearly every country, has 3rd world like cheap labor but first world like luxuries if you have the money, and a lot of money they were willing to spend on these data centers, it’s not the worst idea.

Of course, that whole plan has come crashing down now that having US bases has turned from an asset to a liability.

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by bathtub365 »

lemoncookiechip wrote: post #123
tiew9Vii wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Middle East isn’t some 3rd world. If you can imagine futuristic cities, rich Middle East countries are already living in them with all the oil wealth. They have phones, computers, digital services just like the US and Europe. Makes sense they want a data center in the region, close to them just like the US and Europe have data enters close to their users.

Americans seem to think the middle-east is some dystopian place where everyone is near poverty living in mudhuts, when places like Iran have a higher level of literacy than the USA, with more female college graduates. There's definitely a lot of issues that need to be addressed at a cultural and social-economical level in places like Dubai exploiting migrant workers like slaves, the UAE, etc... but America has plenty…

I’m not really surprised. The US (and their allies) has made a concerted effort over a number of decades to turn them into to the third world. The current sitting US president has threatened to blast them into “oblivion” and “back to the Stone Ages, where they belong”. A lot of imagery of middle eastern countries seen in the west is of the places they’ve collectively destroyed.

Re: Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

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Post by vidarh »

VoidWarranty wrote: post #2

Not to be insensitive about the humanitarian and economic situation, but, I am curious why there are data centers in that region at all? It just seems horribly inefficient from a cooling and electricity standpoint. Not to mention water. My pessimistic assumption is that Amazon said "yes" to handouts from regional government efforts to be relevant in tech, and that those data centers dont really matter to anyone but l…

There are customers there, some of whom are large enough to create significant demand just by insisting on their compute and storage being local.
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