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F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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And CENTCOM's lying about it. https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/2039805134704660622

The US military is in the middle of a top-level political purge; both honesty and competence as an institution will be below normal levels for the forseeable future, and honesty about sensitive operations during wartime is never much even as a baseline.

All true. So we should expect it, but we still shouldn't normalize it.

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post #126

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The US military is in the middle of a top-level political purge; both honesty and competence as an institution will be below normal levels for the forseeable future, and honesty about sensitive operations during wartime is never much even as a baseline.

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I am not from the US, so I don't really care about how it does its things.

I definitely don't expect political purges on bureaucracy in my country of residence after elections, and I would consider it an extremely bad sign.

Typically the new party replaces the top levels; this is expected. Director of something, secretary of this and that, minister of something else, etc.

The actual bureacrats doing day to day work typically are not political agents. Getting rid of them for political reasons indicate loss of know-how, tacit knowledge, and competence, in the name of blind loyalty.

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post #67

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We are expecting Iran to honour an International Convention when US and Israel have squarely shat on every convention's face, so to speak.

The person you’re replying to is very explicitly not expecting them to honor the International Convention…

The funny thing is that I am, even if that puts me in the naive minority in this thread.

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And lied to about the reasons of the war. Now they even lie about it being a war, while they claim they have already won the war, that isn’t a war.

Every war since Korea, we’re very used to this.

The other wars were woke. This is not a woke war.

I wish I was joking.

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It's breaking news...meaning it may be inaccurate. CENTCOM certainly is saying it's false [0]. But there are enough signs of it being genuine, to be concerning at this stage. Flying low over Iran at this point is planned, expensive "standoff" munitions were planned to give way to more accurate and less expensive munitions once air superiority was reached - which U.S. has been claiming has happened for a while now. [0…

Update: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/us-fighter-jet-went-ir... > An F-15 fighter jet pilot has been rescued alive by the U.S. military after their aircraft went down over Iran, a U.S. official said Friday. > White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said President Donald Trump had been briefed on the incident — the latest dramatic development in the war, now more than a month old. CENTCOM lied.

The use of "a" instead of "the" pilot suggests more than 1 personnel on the plane, considering F15's carry 2 people (unless it's some magical F15 I haven't heard of), it means there's still 1 guy missing out there.

Or he (I assume) could also have been found dead, and is not being mentioned before his family is notified of the sacrifice Donald Trump made of his life.

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Hate to say it and sound so "conspiracy-like", but I no longer can trust what the current US administration is saying. Ever since the path of a hurricane was redrawn with a sharpie, it's been... unusual.

Your comment is a perfect setup for the cynicism olympics where people rush to say you could never trust the govt.

Regardless of whether it's a "perfect setup" or not, the facts speak for themselves.

Most competent governments don't say things that are outright wrong. They may use double speak, or not comment on a topic. But this government (and unfortunately it's this specific adminstration/president) has acted time and again in a way that both of us know very well.

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I hope the aviators are OK, and also hope whoever they were bombing are also OK. I do wonder if Iran finds them first, will they treat them better than the US treated survivors of the ship sunk by a US torpedo in the Indiana Ocean?

The crew of the IRIS Dena were warned twice by the US to abandon ship according to a report from one of the sailor’s father. They refused. Not sure if it’s possible to treat enemies better than that. And I doubt the Iranians will treat a US pilot well. Look at how they treat their own citizens.

Can you cite something to support this. Quite keen to read.

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I thought the IR video of that showed it made the missile detonate before the missile hit, maybe shrapnel hit the jet Then again idk the jet exhaust becomes more significant not sure if afterburner or damage https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1ry6ma2/f35_...

That's how anti-aircraft missiles always work.

Almost like a seeking flak shell. I had no idea.

Re: F-15E jet shot down over Iran

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The US military is in the middle of a top-level political purge; both honesty and competence as an institution will be below normal levels for the forseeable future, and honesty about sensitive operations during wartime is never much even as a baseline.

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> Not a popular election where people vote to put new people in charge, which necessarily means removing the old people in charge.

More than a year after they took office and in the middle of a war?

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