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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by macintux »

sophrosyne42 wrote: post #101
delusional wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Liability? You want to make give parents fines for their children accessing Facebook at a young age?

No, I am just saying what policy will allow the legislators to achieve their goals. So if your goal is for the state to decide what is good or bad for children, then yes, giving parents fines when their children access 18+ content will motivate those parents to parent their children. That will be an effective way to achieve your goal. Other policies have issues with externalities (ignoring the inherent externalities…

> ...giving parents fines when their children access 18+ content will motivate those parents to parent their children.

And, like most such policies, will disproportionately impact the working poor.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by coldtea »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #121
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

> Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. This is absolutely not true. Here in the UK schools are swarming with ipads and shit like that. They're given to primary school children because they're "more engaging". Children are supposed to practice their reading and even handwriting[1] on ipads. Naturally they're on youtube instead. It's really bad. As far as…

>>> Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. >This is absolutely not true.Here in the UK schools are swarming with ipads and shit like that. They're given to primary school children because they're "more engaging". Children are supposed to practice their reading and even handwriting on ipads. Naturally they're on youtube instead. It's really bad.

And how does that refute what the parent said? Those school ipads could also have YouTube locked or restricted to a whitelist of channels.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by macintux »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #115

I wonder if we can get a popular referendum to sentence Meta to capital punishment. There would be great rejoicing.

You'd get 10-20% at best in favor. People are not even paying attention to what's happening in the White House, they're definitely not attuned to the storms brewing around social networks and their negative impacts.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by coldtea »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #125
nico wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And LATAM probably soon to follow, specially Argentina with Milei and now Chile with their new right wing president

There's 2 axes on the political spectrum. Economic and Social axes. Liberal and Conservative is one dimension (Economic) and Authoritarian and Libertarian is another dimension (Social). In the US both the Democratic Party (Liberal) and Republican Party (Conservatives) are considered Authoritarian on this 2 dimensional graph. Milei claims to be a Conservative Libertarian so, in theory, he should be opposed to this. We…

>Milei claims to be a Conservative Libertarian so, in theory, he should be opposed to this. We'll see what he actually does.

That's just for the gullible. In practice he's about power and self-serving interests, just like any "libertarian" in office.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by dataflow »

lambda wrote: post #95
kykat wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be so sure, I think the ultimate goal is to link your network activity to your government id, just like the way it's done in China. So the only root left is the government basically.

The whole point of the California/Colorado laws is to provide an alternative to that. The whole point is that it provides a privacy preserving way to provide a signal about whether someone is in a particular age bracket, without requiring any kind of third party ID verification. I am so puzzled by everyone who objects so strongly to these operating system based opt in systems; all it does is provide for a way for a p…

I had the same reaction as you this entire time until half an hour ago when I saw the second link in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47382650

Meta being behind all of these efforts makes it incredibly suspicious, especially given the New York law is ridiculously more invasive than the California one. It sure makes it seem like there's likely a larger plan here that this is merely facilitating.

So I don't think I can still buy it at face value that California's version is a good-faith attempt to balance privacy and child safety, even if that's what it is in the eyes of the legislature, given who's actually behind it and what else they've been pushing for.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by themafia »

terribleperson wrote: post #16

I honestly think the pushback against the California law is a mistake. We are being presented with an increasing number of services demanding identity verification, in the form of ID verification and/or video verification. California is offering an alternative to that, an alternative that only requires you provide your age, without verifying it. If the California law flops, the result isn't going to be no age verific…

No.

I do not want an "API" in my OS to reveal information about me. I do not want this to operate without my consent. I do not want to be limited from accessing certain sites because I refuse to implement this.

No age verification at the OS level. If Meta needs to verify ages for their _profitable_ business, that's entirely _their_ problem. Get your hands off my equipment.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by LooseMarmoset »

exabrial wrote: post #37
terribleperson wrote: post #16

I honestly think the pushback against the California law is a mistake. We are being presented with an increasing number of services demanding identity verification, in the form of ID verification and/or video verification. California is offering an alternative to that, an alternative that only requires you provide your age, without verifying it. If the California law flops, the result isn't going to be no age verific…

Hell no. Burn it to the ground instead and make an embarrassment out of the illiterate politicians. Nobody voted for this. Nobody wants it. Tarring and feathering was once acceptable. Shame it's out of style.

> out of style

a bunch of viral tiktok videos could bring it back pretty easy.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by Nevermark »

rorylawless wrote: post #108
brightball wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not if you’ve paid attention to political trends for the last 15 years. Everything is happening at the same time in every country. It’s clearly being coordinated.

The simpler explanation is that we live in a world that is more connected than ever so politicians, campaigners and the rest can get policy ideas almost instantly. There is no grand conspiracy, just a smaller world.

Shorter paths of communication.

Smaller quorums needed for control.

Fewer people with more wealth pushing through what they want across more borders.

Less and less concern for citizens in general.

We are seeing a rapid centralization of power.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by coldtea »

Telemakhos wrote: post #97
nico wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And LATAM probably soon to follow, specially Argentina with Milei and now Chile with their new right wing president

I don't think this is a left- or right-wing issue: Australia was one of the first to ban kids from social media, and Australia is not right-wing by any measure. Canada is hardly right-wing, but age verification is bill S-210 in their parliament. What you're seeing is a coordinated push by transnational interests; Meta's name has come up in discussions of the funding behind this push. At the very lest, verifying age a…

>I don't think this is a left- or right-wing issue: Australia was one of the first to ban kids from social media, and Australia is not right-wing by any measure. Canada is hardly right-wing, but age verification is bill S-210 in their parliament.

I'd classify both as very corporate friendly, far centrist, which is just as good as "right wing". Nothing about actually empowering the masses, and even less so the working class, only elite pseudo prograssive talking points.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by tim333 »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

They all copy each other. Also some of it was set off by the book, Jonathan Haidt's The Anxious Generation.
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