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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by toast0 »

eek2121 wrote: post #64
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

So, firstly, before I dive into your comment; about the topic above, this is the result of a terrible headline gone wrong in a single state in the US. The language never required any changes to Linux, or Windows, or any other operating system, for that matter. Someone read the text, and made a clickbaity headline, and it went viral. then, another state made a similar bill, and it went viral again.Age verification isn…

The text of the law says:

> 1798.501. (a) An operating system provider shall do all of the following: > (1) Provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder to indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device for the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store.

[And some other stuff]. A simple reading says operating systems need to ask the age of the accout holder during account setup. It says the purpose is to provide a signal to a covered app store, but it does not exempt operating systems without a covered app store.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by jiggawatts »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Meta, a multi-national corporation, seems to be behind all of these.

See:

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_b...

https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1rsn1tm/it_a...

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by terribleperson »

pocksuppet wrote: post #76
terribleperson wrote: post #16

I honestly think the pushback against the California law is a mistake. We are being presented with an increasing number of services demanding identity verification, in the form of ID verification and/or video verification. California is offering an alternative to that, an alternative that only requires you provide your age, without verifying it. If the California law flops, the result isn't going to be no age verific…

You have posted wrongthink.

Apparently, yes.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by pocksuppet »

sophrosyne42 wrote: post #65
pocksuppet wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different people observed the same problem at the same time, and came to similar conclusions about how to solve it.

We should not give these human rights violations the dignity of being called "solutions", especially as they are anything but.

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by bananaflag »

WJW wrote: post #72
brightball wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not if you’ve paid attention to political trends for the last 15 years. Everything is happening at the same time in every country. It’s clearly being coordinated.

Well obviously? It's literally being broadcast in the news when diplomats talk to each other. What do you think they are talking about if not policy discussions?

Trade, wars, stuff like that. Foreign affairs, not domestic affairs.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by w_TF »

terribleperson wrote: post #16

I honestly think the pushback against the California law is a mistake. We are being presented with an increasing number of services demanding identity verification, in the form of ID verification and/or video verification. California is offering an alternative to that, an alternative that only requires you provide your age, without verifying it. If the California law flops, the result isn't going to be no age verific…

these laws are feckless and unenforceable, maximal non-compliance will expose that the destiny you're describing only happens if you willingly accept it

do not comply do not pay the fine idiot geriatric lawmakers have no power over what you do with your computer

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by delusional »

kykat wrote: post #38
pocksuppet wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's designed for parents to enact parental controls on their children. If you're root, you're the parent. Obviously root can turn off parental controls.

I wouldn't be so sure, I think the ultimate goal is to link your network activity to your government id, just like the way it's done in China. So the only root left is the government basically.

Well I think the goal is to link it with hackernews account such that ycombinator can accuratly measure how many of their startups you're interacting with.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by jiggawatts »

exabrial wrote: post #37
terribleperson wrote: post #16

I honestly think the pushback against the California law is a mistake. We are being presented with an increasing number of services demanding identity verification, in the form of ID verification and/or video verification. California is offering an alternative to that, an alternative that only requires you provide your age, without verifying it. If the California law flops, the result isn't going to be no age verific…

Hell no. Burn it to the ground instead and make an embarrassment out of the illiterate politicians. Nobody voted for this. Nobody wants it. Tarring and feathering was once acceptable. Shame it's out of style.

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by delusional »

sophrosyne42 wrote: post #78
softwaredoug wrote: post #23

The problem is we’re regulating individual behavior by adding to the surveillance apparatus. We should be regulating the companies and dismantling the surveillance that makes the apps addictive to kids. It’s a way of socializing the losses, this time you lose civil liberties and they get to keep acting unrestricted

Regulating the companies also socializes the costs of implementing age verification measures. The correct solution that does not do this is to put liability on the parents.

Liability? You want to make give parents fines for their children accessing Facebook at a young age?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by terribleperson »

w_TF wrote: post #86
terribleperson wrote: post #16

I honestly think the pushback against the California law is a mistake. We are being presented with an increasing number of services demanding identity verification, in the form of ID verification and/or video verification. California is offering an alternative to that, an alternative that only requires you provide your age, without verifying it. If the California law flops, the result isn't going to be no age verific…

these laws are feckless and unenforceable, maximal non-compliance will expose that the destiny you're describing only happens if you willingly accept it do not comply do not pay the fine idiot geriatric lawmakers have no power over what you do with your computer

They have plenty of power over what website operators and ISPs do, and I rather like the internet.
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