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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by vacri »

jebblue wrote: post #85

Ubuntu still rocks but the UI is not designed for anyone but new users. The ability to add panels, right-click and edit them to add new items, the launcher has black magic under the hood that maps to what used to be desktop files stored in a logical location $HOME/Desktop to now in some hidden folder very deep, etc. But, Ubuntu is still the best desktop and server Linux and you can always install Xfce if you're a pow…

Canonical has specifically said that they're targetting the new users, and that if you're a power user, there are tons of other distros out there made just for you. There aren't a lot of choices for newbies, so that's the niche they're aiming for.

Out of curiosity, why do you say Ubuntu is a better server linux than it's daddy, Debian?

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by wyclif »

vacri wrote: post #127
slurgfest wrote: post #105

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Mint's packaging and documentation is significantly worse than Ubuntu's. There is no reason to use Mint and not Debian or Ubuntu, except that you are interested in Cinnamon (which I have never once found to work)

Right now on Debian, every desktop sucks out-of-the-box - I've been bouncing around them trying to find something that will satisfy my preference for a traditional desktop. As Debian doesn't do much in the way of UI customisation, so this pretty much means every core desktop sucks at the moment without a downstream maintainer nailing it down properly. XFCE is a little coarse though it would be usable... if only it di…

If what you want is a "traditional desktop" UI and you're running Debian, ISTM you'd have plenty of options. You can install a complete environment (GNOME 2, XFCE) or one of the many tiling wm's (awesome, dwm, xmonad, &c).

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by moondowner »

kisielk wrote: post #96
vacipr wrote: post #2

"Avoid the pain of Windows 8." Well done Canonical..well done. Here's a nice alternative for those having problems with the site. http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/

Trying to use multiple monitors on an Nvidia card and nothing but pain. They work just fine under Windows.

Use KDE (Kubuntu), it has better multimonitor support.

http://brainacle.com/multiseating-with-kde-and-xbmc-like-a-b...

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by nodata »

skeletonjelly wrote: post #63
georgemcbay wrote: post #50

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese

Interesting. Have you read the book? Wondering if I could use something out of this for clients who fear the change (be it UI, UX, process)

You can read the book in less than an hour, it's not big.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by Evbn »

rustynails77 wrote: post #90
Encosia wrote: post #59

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Same here. Windows 8 is a clear improvement over Windows 7 once you acclimate to the new interface (which you only need to spend a tiny fraction of your time using anyway). I've noticed that a lot of the criticism comes from people who tried Windows 8 in a VM, where it's difficult to hit the corners, and people who dabbled with dual booting it or using it on secondary machines, without truly committing to learning th…

Not me. I installed Windows 8 as a partition. It was a nightmare. There are four corners of the screen that seem to do different things when you point there. After about two weeks of casual use, I gave up and went back to Windows 7. My head seriously hurt trying to remember (guess) which corner did what, in order to go "back and forth" between the different UI paradigms (which by the way is UNNECESSARY to have more t…

Hot corners have been in OS X and Ubuntu/Gnome for many years...

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by Evbn »

bni wrote: post #109
atopuzov wrote: post #31

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Ubuntu BUG #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1

Interesting, they changed it form "Windows" to "Proprietary". Or do I misremember that?

After 8 years of saying "Windows", it was changed as part of the 12.10 cycle.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by Evbn »

gizmo686 wrote: post #73
untog wrote: post #17

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Very much so. The pain with Windows 8 is going to be the UI change- switching to Ubuntu will require a very similar adjustment to a new UI (one that, ironically, Canonical forced on a userbase that was unsure about it).

Users who upgraded ubuntu versions were able to simply select gnome from a drop down menu at the login screen. People who installed 11.04+ (I think) had to install gnome after the main installation. Changing the default is the only way you can get rapid improvement in a market. Making it easy to switch back satisfies those who are significantly upset with the change. It is the best compromise I have seen between prog…

Unity also broke compatibility with every panel applet, Mich like Metro.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by Evbn »

simplexion wrote: post #80
squidsoup wrote: post #61

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Ubuntu 12.10 still doesn't recognise my external Dell monitor which works without hitch in OSX. That aside, upgrading seems to have gone smoothly.

It's not recognising a monitor? That sounds more like Dell doing something very wrong, rather than Linux.

This diagnosis is exactly correct and completely useless to the user, and is the hallmark of the Linux hardware experience.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Now Available

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Post by gnaritas »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #64
gnaritas wrote: post #58

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No they don't suck, they rock. This isn't windows, and I shouldn't have to lost my setup to upgrade to the latest distro.

Yes, they do suck. I regularly see and help people that are dealing with broken systems because of stalled/incomplete/broken in place upgrades. Regardless, it's easy to not lose your setup, run the latest OS AND not do in-place upgrades. Just put /home on a separate partition and you're done. Use dpkg to make a list and restore a list of applications (same with repos). A few files to backup and a few minutes to wait…

I've never had a single issue with the in place upgrades, and no putting home on another partition is not sufficient. Lots of stuff in /etc has been customized and that would need restored as well. I've been through half a dozen or so and they've always worked fine for me.
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