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Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by snarfy »

wolvoleo wrote: post #54
ksec wrote: post #46

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My Friend on a 30Hz Phone Screen because of battery saving mode said the difference between 30Hz and 60Hz is so minor, that in "In practice, it's been unnoticeable." At one point in time 95%+ of HN comments were cheering on about Atom the text editor and later VSCode as being fast enough or unnoticeable. When Sublime user are baffled as to why. And Sublime isn't the fastest text editor either before Zed came out. Yes…

Yes this. I don't use screens below 200dpi anymore (right now I have 4K on 24", at 200% scaling) and many people say that it's a waste because it's way too high. But I can still see pixels that are off. I just love sharp text. Which everyone is used to on their phones, I don't understand why people don't want the same on their computer which they probably use a lot more hours per day (I sure do) I'm sure I would noti…

I have a dual 4k/1080p(480hz) oled monitor at home I mostly run at 1080p and 4k lcd monitors at work. I bounce between both and really don't notice much difference. I need the text zoomed on 4k anyway, so it is effectively 1080p screen area, but sharper. Growing up in Atari days I don't mind pixels and actually like them. Latency and the 480hz is more important to me than 4k pixels.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by lostlogin »

bluecalm wrote: post #119
carlob wrote: post #83

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At some point a few years ago I didn't want to get a mac with the crappy keyboard so I bought a Thinkpad, I think it was a t480s or something of that era. The speakers were so bad it was impossible to understand the dialogue while watching a movie in a decently quiet room with some city noises in the background.

I have a newer Thinkpad (T14, Ryzen 6850) and while the sound is clear it's shameful how much better my wife's Macbook Air is. I only headphones now. I can't unhear it.

Is this a new Air or an Intel one?

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by c0nsumer »

aappleby wrote: post #18

This guy is complaining about fringing...on 9- and 10-pixel high fonts. That works out to 1.6mm or 1.8mm high characters on a 140 dpi screen, or about 1/16 of an inch. He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does). But yeah, if you use a _tiny_ font and sit _really_ close to t…

Author here.

There is no Cleartype; this is macOS. And as mentioned I couldn't see the fringing from normal use, that only became evident with macro photos. During normal use it just looked sparkly or weird or artifacted.

And yes, the fonts are small, but that default size in VS Code or Numbers.app -- the example photos -- work well for me. And look fine on an LCD.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by vladvasiliu »

nasmorn wrote: post #105
rabf wrote: post #58

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When people ask what computer they should buy I always tell them to get any old office computer from ebay and use the rest of the money to buy a really nice monitor, and a really nice keyboard and mouse, as these are the bits you use! For most tasks that are undertaken on a computer any processor from the last 10 years coupled with 16GB of ram is more than sufficient.

If you buy a really nice monitor, which for me starts at 6K 32” - the eBay computer will no longer drive it. What I find insane is how long companies issued 19” 1080 screens to their employees. I don’t think that was a well calculated choice given that a couple of hundred more over 5 years would have surely improved productivity by a little bit for their 50k year employees. It felt almost done out of spite to keep pe…

I wouldn't call a 6k monitor "nice", that's way above that. I would love on of those, since I can't stand blurry text, but even for me that's way too expensive to justify. So as the sibling says, if people are looking at old used pcs on ebay, they're unlikely to drop more than a grand on the screen.

A 32" 4k screen is nice enough and a reasonable one [0] can be had for a third of that. My I don't-know-how-old desktop I saved from the bin at work sporting an i5-6500 could drive that with no issues.

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[0] Around 2020 I bought an LG something-or-other for 350 Euros for work, 32", 4k, some form of VA panel. It had pretty good colors and better contrast than the IPS monitor I use as a Sunday-photographer.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by chronogram »

heavyset_go wrote: post #70
aappleby wrote: post #18

This guy is complaining about fringing...on 9- and 10-pixel high fonts. That works out to 1.6mm or 1.8mm high characters on a 140 dpi screen, or about 1/16 of an inch. He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does). But yeah, if you use a _tiny_ font and sit _really_ close to t…

Is there another tool for ClearType that isn't the Windows tuner? It drives me nuts

Better ClearType Tuner https://github.com/bp2008/BetterClearTypeTuner

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by c0nsumer »

Brybry wrote: post #19
gonesilent wrote: post #4

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Author also thought it might be a backlight failed for his first oled problem....

His ProArt Display PA27JCV was not an OLED monitor. I believe it is an an IPS LCD w/ LED backlight.

Yep -- it's an IPS LCD. And based on the failure more (here's a video of it [1]) with a vertical bar dark and the whole screen blinking when large white sections are displayed, I believe it's likely a power supply problem, maybe coupled to draw from the backlight. (Localized smaller LEDs, more get turned on when things are white.)

I'd been having an issue with a vertical dark bar during wakeup for a few months, but it'd go away after the whole screen came up so I pushed off opening a case. Then one day the whole thing started having problems.

[1] https://youtu.be/JtbTQ4ldSkI

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by tyleo »

on_the_train wrote: post #51
dleslie wrote: post #8

This was a validating read. I used a Samsung G9 OLED for the better part of a year and eventually had to stop because the eye strain was terrible. I found myself avoiding my desk because it was a chore to look at the display. I've moved back to using a pair of 4K LCDs that I had, and honestly the resolution and aspect ratio are better for text and programming anyhow.

LCD is just the better technology. Besides what this article is about, OLED have awful burning and longevity problems. They're great for watching movies on the first month (and that's what gets them sold), but really not much else.

That’s not my experience. I've had an OLED TV going on 7 years now and it still looks better than any of my LCD screens.

My PC monitors are my only remaining LCD screens largely due to the text fringing issues mentioned in this article and bezel size.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by c0nsumer »

aappleby wrote: post #18

This guy is complaining about fringing...on 9- and 10-pixel high fonts. That works out to 1.6mm or 1.8mm high characters on a 140 dpi screen, or about 1/16 of an inch. He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does). But yeah, if you use a _tiny_ font and sit _really_ close to t…

Those do show the best example, yes. And best to photograph. But it's also noticeable on any high contrast edge or a fine line, like a drawing in Autodesk Fusion (CAD software) or just the lines between spreadsheets.

And no, no Cleartype here because (as mentioned in the first paragraph) it's a Mac running macOS.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by vladvasiliu »

cocoto wrote: post #127
ValdikSS wrote: post #72

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>right now I have 4K on 24", at 200% scaling I have Dell P2415Q, from 2015. There are, like, 4 other (legacy) models of 24" 4K out there, and that's it. I've no idea why they don't manufacture them.

I also have one bought used. It’s the only way to have 4k and 200% scaling on Linux without everything being too big or too small. Size and ppi are perfect but sadly other aspects are becoming really dated (bad colors and contrast, high latency, low refresh rate etc).

Huh. Maybe your particular sample is degrading?

I also have one, and it's holding up pretty well. A month or so ago I broke out my colorimeter and it had almost 100% sRGB at around 120 cd/m2. I don't recall the delta E, but it was very low.

While I didn't measure the backlight, it does seem to not go as bright as before, judging by the levels I set in the OSD. I never went above 70% or so when the sun was shining in the room (not directly on the screen, though), so it didn't have any effect on me.

I understand there are two version, I have the second one. But I don't think there's a difference in the panel itself, I think the change was related to HDMI support.

I can't comment on the latency, the only games I played on it were Civilization and Anno Something. Never had a problem for this.

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