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VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by skydhash »

worksonmine wrote: post #126
torben-friis wrote: post #120

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I do get the benefit of not depending on plugins, really. Long term my current config could rot (abandoned projects, moving dependencies, etc), while a simple config is stable. But I'm happy removing dependencies one at a time. For example, ft toggles a terminal in a bottom split. This is familiar enough that I knew I could rely on it whenever needed. Could I have used :term and manually set splits each time? or lear…

> Could I have used :term and manually set splits each time? That's when you know you want to create a keybinding, here's a suggestion that opens a split below the current window with 10% height and starts a terminal: `nnoremap ft :belowright 10 split | terminal ` But is a terminal really what you want or do you just want to run a command? Maybe just `:!command` is enough 9/10 times that you reach for ft? In that cas…

Same with Emacs. Needs some feature? Just write something quick in Elisp and have a new command. The primitives are versatile and a lot of tasks can be reduced to a few commands instead of a long interaction with the terminal/GUI.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by stoneforger »

runjake wrote: post #98
reactordev wrote: post #69

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This made me laugh a bit as I remembered people saying “Oh we have Nadella now, things have changed”. Have they? Have they really? Windows Recall. VS Code forcing Copilot. Windows forcing Copilot. Office forcing Copilot. Azure forcing Copilot. GitHub forcing Copilot. Outlook forcing Copilot. Edge forcing Copilot. You folks are insane.

I’m not sure why people are surprised. If you watch Nadella interviews, he tells you what he thinks and where he wants to take the company. He touts AI, services, agentic copilot, and all the other stuff customers are railing against. Some Windows manager got crucified on X recently for an enthusiastic tweet about turning Windows into an agentic OS. People called for this persons firing. But, this was straight out of…

Windows users are not customers. Businesses are. Tech conglomerates and everyone adjacent are going for the big money, it's what everyone is doing , it really is a fantastic world devoid of anything but ROI numbers. The fastest way to get rich or die trying, gangstas got nothing on these cats.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by square_usual »

reactordev wrote: post #117
arielcostas wrote: post #113

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But enterprises may negotiate not to use (and pay) Copilot, can't they? Or go with another provider if it's such a big deal. Plus it being enabled by default in every VS Code (I haven't checked this, last I remember you need to sign in with GitHub) gets you on the free tier where you make zero revenue for Microsoft and some expense (not too much, probably).

No, no they can’t. Again, it’s a part of the agreement. It’s included and bundled with ANY service you order, like it or not.

So enterprises are just accepting paying twice as much as they used to for no value? The "c'mon man" should be directed at you!

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by runjake »

stoneforger wrote: post #132
runjake wrote: post #98

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I’m not sure why people are surprised. If you watch Nadella interviews, he tells you what he thinks and where he wants to take the company. He touts AI, services, agentic copilot, and all the other stuff customers are railing against. Some Windows manager got crucified on X recently for an enthusiastic tweet about turning Windows into an agentic OS. People called for this persons firing. But, this was straight out of…

Windows users are not customers. Businesses are. Tech conglomerates and everyone adjacent are going for the big money, it's what everyone is doing , it really is a fantastic world devoid of anything but ROI numbers. The fastest way to get rich or die trying, gangstas got nothing on these cats.

I'm doubtful many businesses are requesting many of these features.

I don't think it's wise for them to want stuff like Recall (data exfiltration) or current state of the art agents doing calculations or analysis for them -- at least without a qualified human closely reviewing it's output and conclusions.

I do see businesses wanting simpler, more reliable software with fluid and consistent interfaces, but MSFT isn't focusing on that.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by BearOso »

tzs wrote: post #115
snarfy wrote: post #63

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Or their washing machines.

That seems a bit of an overreaction. The top 10 front loading washing machines on Consumer Reports' rating list are 8 LGs followed by a Samsung and another LG. If you don't want WiFi you can still get a top rated washer. The LG WM3400CW, which is in a 3 way tie for high score, does not have WiFi (or Bluetooth, or any other radio). Note: Consumer Reports says that it does have WiFi but they are mistaken. It does have…

> Front loading

That's the problem. Front-loading washers have generally been a terrible invention. Unbalancing and mold are among the widespread problems. The actually reliable washers are still top-load.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

alias_neo wrote: post #38
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #25

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> No-one wants this. If they make it a paid-for version, it affects no-one. You didn't read the article, did you? "... deactivated the popular IntelliCode extension, which had over 60 million downloads..." I'm a Microsoft hater, but let's stick to facts here, over 60 million downloads is not "no-one".

I'm guessing that's 60 million people that don't have a small child that can just type stuff that looks kind of like code but doesn't actually work like code.

No real need for a plugin, there.

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

mattstir wrote: post #78
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #25

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> No-one wants this IntelliCode has 60M downloads and is the 11th most downloaded extension for all of VS Code. Also consider that there's 6 official Python-related extensions above it that could all be rolled into one, and Copilot just above it which (to my knowledge) is installed by default in newer versions of VS Code. Just because it doesn't affect you personally doesn't mean it affects no one. You aren't in fact…

Okay then, so if it's so popular, what does it do that I would want? Why is it supposed to be worth having?

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by mindcrash »

ragequittah wrote: post #128
reactordev wrote: post #119

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Nope, you go to upgrade, because windows update downloaded it and restarted, and it tells you “Your processor is not supported”. Why would it be any different than the Windows 7 -> Windows 10 debacle? Disabling entire processor families after it boots into installation and wiped the previous windows.

Almost nobody has this functionality on their desktop processor. I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy but there's enough real problems to yell about without making some up. The agentic AI will even be entirely opt in.

It's not. Like TPM and several new CPU features are a hard requirement for Windows 11, which are patched out by tools like Rufus but can lead to a broken system with every single update you install, a NPU is a hard requirement for the upcoming major update with agentic AI.

They got a storm of criticism after that announcement, but Microsoft seemingly has not given a single fuck about that and has not backtracked on this decision.

(Just like they technically could have allowed Windows 11 to run on older PCs with some disabled features out of the box, but didn't)

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by dmicah »

beAbU wrote: post #127
reactordev wrote: post #119

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Nope, you go to upgrade, because windows update downloaded it and restarted, and it tells you “Your processor is not supported”. Why would it be any different than the Windows 7 -> Windows 10 debacle? Disabling entire processor families after it boots into installation and wiped the previous windows.

I think they fixed that to some degree. I have an old win10 PC that now has a persistent "upgrade to W11" banner that informs me my PC is below spec, so I can't upgrade. Fine by me!

Eventually Microsoft will stop providing security updates to their old OS, compelling users to upgrade if they want to stay on Windows

Re: VS Code deactivates IntelliCode in favor of the paid Copilot

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Post by inferiorhuman »

g947o wrote: post #62
inferiorhuman wrote: post #39

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I had tried many times to switch to vim/emacs and the initial barrier to get a workable system always kept me from pushing forward. For me Helix gets enough right out of the box I find myself reaching for it far more than I ever did with vi or Emacs. They're working on plugin support but I've not felt the need to investigate it at all.

Is there a good solution to managing "workspace", especially handling multi-folder workspace? I have a project where code lives in giant monorepo, and the files I edit don't have the same root (more precisely, the root is too large to open in the editor). I haven't found a good solution outside VSCode yet.

Well the file picker can be limited to the current directory and its descendants, and the global search picker is by default. Beyond that, dunno.
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