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IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by creaturemachine »

jonplackett wrote: post #117
rkomorn wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An induction stove doesn't answer your monitoring needs, but it's probably the safest thing to cook with. Only heats up when there's a pan, not prone to fires, ours even complains loudly if something unexpected is happening (eg lots of spilled liquid).

Every induction stove I’ve ever used though, was designed by someone who either has never heard of human interface design, or has done and entirely hates the concept of it. Eg, buttons so close to the heating element that they hurt to press Buttons to turn it off that only work when dry, places near where a spill would go. Buttons you have to press up to 10 times just to get it to a reasonable heat. Why does inductio…

LG has built induction models with knobs for years. The touch surfaces are nice but can be difficult for the elderly.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by rkomorn »

jonplackett wrote: post #117
rkomorn wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An induction stove doesn't answer your monitoring needs, but it's probably the safest thing to cook with. Only heats up when there's a pan, not prone to fires, ours even complains loudly if something unexpected is happening (eg lots of spilled liquid).

Every induction stove I’ve ever used though, was designed by someone who either has never heard of human interface design, or has done and entirely hates the concept of it. Eg, buttons so close to the heating element that they hurt to press Buttons to turn it off that only work when dry, places near where a spill would go. Buttons you have to press up to 10 times just to get it to a reasonable heat. Why does inductio…

Yeah there are admittedly lots of designs that make me scratch my head.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by kjkjadksj »

don_neufeld wrote: post #122
jonplackett wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every induction stove I’ve ever used though, was designed by someone who either has never heard of human interface design, or has done and entirely hates the concept of it. Eg, buttons so close to the heating element that they hurt to press Buttons to turn it off that only work when dry, places near where a spill would go. Buttons you have to press up to 10 times just to get it to a reasonable heat. Why does inductio…

There is an ease of cleaning value that comes from a single unbroken surface. That said - placement needs some work. Or put the UI in a phone.

Dials are easy to pop off and clean behind. What sucks with the flat buttons is they wear out in 10 years now you get cleaning solution behind the plastic into the internals.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#135

Post by throwup238 »

don_neufeld wrote: post #122
jonplackett wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every induction stove I’ve ever used though, was designed by someone who either has never heard of human interface design, or has done and entirely hates the concept of it. Eg, buttons so close to the heating element that they hurt to press Buttons to turn it off that only work when dry, places near where a spill would go. Buttons you have to press up to 10 times just to get it to a reasonable heat. Why does inductio…

There is an ease of cleaning value that comes from a single unbroken surface. That said - placement needs some work. Or put the UI in a phone.

I like the Impulse Labs hob which has an unbroken surface and magnetic knobs that can be removed for cleaning.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by cameldrv »

I really like the idea of an open, local standard for this stuff. I have been a little annoyed at the matter standards immaturity still. Two things I’ve noticed is that there’s not good support for very low power devices that use WiFi. What you’d like to do, for example for a battery powered sensor, is to go into deep sleep and disconnect from the WiFi and then wake up periodically and report the sensor reading. Unfortunately as far as I can tell, you can’t really tell a matter hub that you’re going to disconnect from wifi and when you expect to reconnect and not have matter mark the device as missing. There are some things you can do with certain WiFi routers, but they’re not universally supported and they have time limits.

The device type catalog is also somewhat limited, for example there’s no garage door device type.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by [deleted] »

seanalltogether wrote: post #51
ifh-hn wrote: post #31

I've never really got the smart home thing, and the shit being pulled with the likes of "smart" TVs and cars has really put me off any sort of network connected device I can't control. How would you use this and ensure privacy and security? Without investing time in becoming an amateur network engineer?

As someone who is a bit of a luddite when it comes to smart home features, there are 2 things that really stand out to me that i would like. 1. Open/Close sensors, I would like to put sensors on my shed door and side gates that can tell me if they are open or closed. I will occassionally leave these open, or the kids may leave them open and would prefer they be closed each night. It's impossible for me to tell if the…

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Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#138

Post by mynameajeff »

jonplackett wrote: post #117
rkomorn wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An induction stove doesn't answer your monitoring needs, but it's probably the safest thing to cook with. Only heats up when there's a pan, not prone to fires, ours even complains loudly if something unexpected is happening (eg lots of spilled liquid).

Every induction stove I’ve ever used though, was designed by someone who either has never heard of human interface design, or has done and entirely hates the concept of it. Eg, buttons so close to the heating element that they hurt to press Buttons to turn it off that only work when dry, places near where a spill would go. Buttons you have to press up to 10 times just to get it to a reasonable heat. Why does inductio…

I housesitted at a very nice house with an induction stove and it was one of the most anti-human designs I've ever experienced in a stove. If I wasn't being as clean and tidy as possible for the sake of the homeowners I couldn't imagine how much worse it could've been as the entirely touch based interface added a whole other layer of frustration on top of the extremely confusing UX. I thought this was maybe unique to this stove but every other induction stove I've seen sold at appliance stores has had the exact same layout. I truly don't understand it.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#139

Post by namibj »

devttyeu wrote: post #86
james-bcn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Matter derived from Zigbee?

Both use 802.15.4 but iiuc zigbee does that with some incompatibilities.

That in itself is an umbrella.

There's 3~5 variants that require separate radios or at least separate frontends to work probably.

Notably these days are the ZigBee PHY and the FiRa PHY.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

#140

Post by kristofferR »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #133
don_neufeld wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an ease of cleaning value that comes from a single unbroken surface. That said - placement needs some work. Or put the UI in a phone.

Dials are easy to pop off and clean behind. What sucks with the flat buttons is they wear out in 10 years now you get cleaning solution behind the plastic into the internals.

I think the parents are mostly talking about touch buttons below the glass though.

I am very pleased with my induction stove controls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhZjqhs8314

So easy to control and to clean, I shudder at the thought of cleaning fat splashed physical dials/buttons.

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