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Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by BizarroLand »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #82
wongarsu wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It very much looks like it's designed to be your second/third/tenth car. Not as impractical as a daily driver as most sports cars, but you won't use it for a trip to Ikea either

In terms of not-yet-shipping not-online vehicles, we already have the Slate. So this looks to be a good compliment, for a moderately-wealthy two car household.

I'm disappointed with the Slate. Knowing it's backed by Bezos ruins it for me.

I know that's just me, but still, it bothers me and I'll likely cancel my pre-order.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by BizarroLand »

mikestew wrote: post #112
bityard wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the pictures, this is the kind of vehicle that you would gladly pay extra to have delivered to your second vacation home so you can park it next to your 6 other semi-exotic cars and drive it half a mile to the country club on Saturdays. If that is not your demographic, they might have geo-located your IP and blocked you based on the median income of your area. (Only half joking.)

Oh, c’mon, it’s 44K. One can easily spend 30K or more on a motorcycle these days, we are a long way from “country club” prices. If it came to the U. S., I’d probably pick one up to park next to our Hyundai (yeah, a Hyundai, not a Range Rover).

About $51,000 USD if it were even eligible for import.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by netsharc »

hrimfaxi wrote: post #118
dylan604 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

analytics. same thing anyone that collects data gets. how they use it might be different. most use it to monetize the data. some might actually use it to improve things. because some do use for making money, those that do for actual improving will always be deemed suspect

You are seriously positing that car manufacturers would install decoy sims in their vehicles to discourage people from finding the true sim, all so they might collect data without potential user disruption?

This boring paranoia always comes up in discussions about "smart" devices. In theory possible, in practice too many legal issues, so in reality it's never happened. I find it rather dull when someone brings it up.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by renewiltord »

jljljl wrote: post #57
rtaylorgarlock wrote: post #51

1) Cool, i hope they get lots of orders. 2) We're not past the 'zero emissions' rhetoric? I get evals 'at the tailpipe,' yet i think we've come past that line of thinking (e.g. Fairphone's Cameroon country outline inside the phone, behind the battery cover) 3) Will be interesting to compare results to other cars, e.g. Slate, which approach a similar need/desire from a remarkably different angle.

What's the issue with the zero emissions rhetoric?

It's not legal to operate on public roads without a human behind the wheel and humans are known to emit CO2.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by WorldMaker »

fragmede wrote: post #47
cuu508 wrote: post #42

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Which VPNs are like that?

Hola is the big one, but in practice, if we hypothesis that no one's running a VPN as a charity, free VPN products need to make money someway, and if you're not paying to use it, how else are they gonna make money? So basically be suspicious of every single "free" or suspiciously cheap VPN. Go with known brands that come recommended by mulitple people, especially from people "in the know". Though PirateSoftware (a pe…

Hola's worst division got spun out into a separate company, Bright Data. Bright Data's worst innovations since "Free VPN" are using those "Watch this ad for 30 seconds for bonus in-game currency" things in many, many awful mobile games and using those as a "opt-in" signal to use the user's device for those 30 seconds (or however long) as an exit node for whatever scanning/botting processes they resell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Data

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by _ea1k »

hrimfaxi wrote: post #118
dylan604 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

analytics. same thing anyone that collects data gets. how they use it might be different. most use it to monetize the data. some might actually use it to improve things. because some do use for making money, those that do for actual improving will always be deemed suspect

You are seriously positing that car manufacturers would install decoy sims in their vehicles to discourage people from finding the true sim, all so they might collect data without potential user disruption?

It is crazy how paranoid people can be, IMO. They don't seem to understand that these companies don't really value one person's information highly enough to do stuff like that.

It is everyone's information that they value, not that one guy who goes to the trouble of killing the radio.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by mikestew »

rounce wrote: post #128
mikestew wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, c’mon, it’s 44K. One can easily spend 30K or more on a motorcycle these days, we are a long way from “country club” prices. If it came to the U. S., I’d probably pick one up to park next to our Hyundai (yeah, a Hyundai, not a Range Rover).

30k? What motorbikes would they be?

It’s not hard at all if you go Harley-Davidson. My BMW R1200GSA was $27K when I bought it ten years ago, I can’t imagine they’ve gone down in price.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by _ea1k »

BizarroLand wrote: post #131
mixmastamyk wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In terms of not-yet-shipping not-online vehicles, we already have the Slate. So this looks to be a good compliment, for a moderately-wealthy two car household.

I'm disappointed with the Slate. Knowing it's backed by Bezos ruins it for me. I know that's just me, but still, it bothers me and I'll likely cancel my pre-order.

Isn't he a fairly minor shareholder?

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by iwanttocomment »

jmward01 wrote: post #21

I like the idea, and we need variety in the market to keep things evolving, but I like the bells and whistles. I just don't want it to phone home. Honestly, I want the title to be 'we don't have a network connection and we can still be a car'. Privacy is my #1 feature.

I own 3 EVs. Two of those, from 2012 and 2014, were built with 3G modems, and fully lost connectivity in 2022 when the 3G networks were turned down. Nothing changed, not even an error message inside the car, except that trying to connect to them with their apps now fails. They're still totally functional cars. The failure mode on both appears to have been "guess I don't have service, I'll sleep the modem." Bluetooth still works, but even if that failed one of them has a functional CD player!

My newer EV that came with LTE connectivity will also fully work without network connectivity, except for the apps and remote updates. You can turn off the built-in cell connectivity via the head unit menus, and if you're especially paranoid, you can pull the fuse on the modem (and I've done it!). When it doesn't have a network connection it too operates just like a normal car.

There's a lot of fear around EVs being "software on wheels" based on a few manufacturers making non-remote features that depend on remote connectivity and botching updates or requiring subscriptions, and I agree that all is super problematic both from a privacy perspective and point-of-failure reason. But there's absolutely nothing intrinsic to the core design of EVs that demands that they're connected to the network.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by imglorp »

formerly_proven wrote: post #107
rbanffy wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely step motors in the instruments. I am sure there is no analog voltage or pneumatic input to the dashboard.

Neither was there in cars with dials 30 years ago.

The speedometer and odometer at least could be fully mechanical: they used to be gear reduced from a cable to the wheels or transmission.
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