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Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Some specs about the car: - 31.5kWh - 630kg - 300km (186mi) range This review explains the concept behind the car in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTzuUrdyIc

300 km with an extra battery. 200 km and 590 kg with a smaller one. It's about weight of a Lotus Elan, a bit heavier than a Fiat 500.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Residential internets are now proxies for AI scrapers. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45741357

specifically, “free” VPN isn’t free. They use your computer that has the VPN software installed as an exit nodes for other customers. Those other customers hammer websites for their AI until it gets blocked. Sucks for you, unfortunately. Talk to your kids about the dangers of VPNs before it's too late.

Which VPNs are like that?

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post #39

I like the idea, and we need variety in the market to keep things evolving, but I like the bells and whistles. I just don't want it to phone home. Honestly, I want the title to be 'we don't have a network connection and we can still be a car'. Privacy is my #1 feature.

I have a BYD Seal and this was as simple as removing the SIM (it's in the armrest compartment and just pops out).

This is how it should be if the user prefers not to be connected.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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post #7

Lovin' this! Though I'm not a fan of the design but like the spirit of it. I can't fathom why we can't have a modern car with analog displays and switches in the cockpit. I own a 25 years old car which only has a digital radio (removeable!) and that's it, perfectly enough.

No fuel injection or electronic ignition? I'm sure there's an ECU somewhere in the vehicle.

It's electric.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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post #38

I like the general design very much. And additionally the fact that it is small, lightweight, and not imposing, while apparently being a fast car. Except for one thing: the brushed metal dashboard. I can imagine how terribly it's going to reflect the sun from behind when the roof is folded. I hope they can offer a tasteful matte dark version. As of the lack of bells and whistles, the dashboard seems to be prepared fo…

That dash stood out to me as well. Would definitely want wood or leather or a darker matte metal.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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post #39

I like the idea, and we need variety in the market to keep things evolving, but I like the bells and whistles. I just don't want it to phone home. Honestly, I want the title to be 'we don't have a network connection and we can still be a car'. Privacy is my #1 feature.

I have a BYD Seal and this was as simple as removing the SIM (it's in the armrest compartment and just pops out).

I mean, even back in the OnStar days, you could "opt out" and cancel the service and it would track you anyway. With BYD or any other car maker, I'd be worried the SIM was a placebo.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

specifically, “free” VPN isn’t free. They use your computer that has the VPN software installed as an exit nodes for other customers. Those other customers hammer websites for their AI until it gets blocked. Sucks for you, unfortunately. Talk to your kids about the dangers of VPNs before it's too late.

Which VPNs are like that?

Hola is the big one, but in practice, if we hypothesis that no one's running a VPN as a charity, free VPN products need to make money someway, and if you're not paying to use it, how else are they gonna make money?

So basically be suspicious of every single "free" or suspiciously cheap VPN. Go with known brands that come recommended by mulitple people, especially from people "in the know".

Though PirateSoftware (a person) has a good bit on why he doesn't advertise for VPNs on his channel.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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post #10

Oh, yet another luxury EV. Wake me up when a manufacturer finally commits to making an EV that everyone can afford and isn't a cloud-connected privacy nightmare.

I'm holding out hope for https://www.slate.auto/en I know it's somehow associated with Amazon, is it going to be a cloud-connected privacy nightmare. I haven't heard anything about it, but I also wouldn't be surprised.

Slate doesn't have infotainment. It's BYOD with a dashboard mount and a USB connection for car integration.

I haven't heard specifically about connectedness otherwise, but I highly doubt there is a hidden SIM card in there somewhere.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Some choice quotes:

> Prices for a TC2 start at €44.500 excluding taxes (€53.854 including 21% btw/Dutch tax).

> The Carice TC2 complies with the European regulations and can therefore be driven in all EU countries and countries that adopt those regulations, like Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Monaco and Norway.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No fuel injection or electronic ignition? I'm sure there's an ECU somewhere in the vehicle.

This is the sentiment completely. My 34-year old base spec Chevrolet has digital controls for timing advance, fuel trim, and integrated Engine and Transmission Control Units. But my dash has some analog components ( fuel level is variable voltage instead of PWM ). The mechanics would all say that my truck is very simple, and "old school" The Lay use of 'analog' is far removed from function. As long as there isn't a s…

The last real analog stuff would be either carb'd bikes / cars or mechanical fuel injection, which is the worst of both worlds.

However, those ECUs are more closely related to embedded programming than digital dial outs and SIM Card loaded cars with a internal network canbus these days. Analog / Digital Inputs and outputs as a closed loop controller.

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