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Microsoft Can't Keep EU Data Safe from US Authorities

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Re: Microsoft Can't Keep EU Data Safe from US Authorities

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Post by LarsKrimi »

tharne wrote: post #130
LarsKrimi wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I will never give up customer data" is a very tough promise to keep If you don't have a spine, sure That's what US companies are seen as from a European perspective: Spineless and untrustable It's a great sales argument for locally grown software though, so I'm not complaining :)

> If you don't have a spine, sure I've never understood this take. A lot of people were saying this sort of thing when Proton Mail turned over some user data to authorities in Europe a while back. If you're running a tech company and run afoul of the law in some or another jurisdiction, it doesn't matter how much spine you think you have. When a group of men with guns, i.e. the police, shows up at your door and gives…

Agreed with your last point. I'll disagree with everything else (except for the part about Proton, not really up to date on their operations)

Re: Microsoft Can't Keep EU Data Safe from US Authorities

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Post by zrn900 »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #101
jmyeet wrote: post #16

An inevitable consequence of this administration destroying US foreign influence and power at an unprecedented rate is that (IMHO) it is inevitable that the EU builds their own cloud and mandates its use for EU data. It is becoming a matter of national security. The interesting thing is that the US is acting in the exact way that they accuse China of acting. Companies like Huawei are forbidden from installing telecom…

Huawei is itself fully to blame. They knowingly supplied equipment to Iran.

Yeaah! God forbid anyone trades with those whom the US targets. But the US sending 70% of the bombs Israel used to murder children is okay though...

Re: Microsoft Can't Keep EU Data Safe from US Authorities

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Post by OKRainbowKid »

pjmlp wrote: post #86
xorcist wrote: post #71

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That's not so. In a democratic state of law, the police can not unilaterally decide to seize you servers, and the politicians cannot tell the police to do so. Separation of powers is a thing.

Nice theory, that even on US isn't really working nowadays.

Why do you say "even" in the US?

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Post by hulitu »

ebb_earl_co wrote: post #89
autoexec wrote: post #68

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The trick is to collect as little data as possible and to get rid of what you need to collect as quickly as you can. This is in direct opposition to the practices of companies like Microsoft which wants to spy on their users and profit from the data they collect though. There's also an open question of how possible it is to run a system that doesn't collect/store data in a way that makes it possible to be collected b…

This is why I still prefer Signal; this practice seems to be their modus operandi even though they, too, were affected by AWS us-east-1 catastrophe

> This is why I still prefer Signal;

You do realize that Signal's CEO is a "former" CIA asset, don't you /s

Re: Microsoft Can't Keep EU Data Safe from US Authorities

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Post by idkfasayer »

csense wrote: post #60

This applies to any company, doesn't it? Your home country can tell you "Give us your data" and you have to comply. "I will never give up customer data" is a very tough promise to keep, if the government threatens you with your business license being revoked, your servers and domains being forcibly seized by the police, and you personally going to jail. (Under the current US administration, we can add "A close examin…

In theory, there is rule of law, the intention of which is to prevent government's access to your property and body without a court order and any emergency access such as use of force at crime scenes being subject to public scrutiny. I guess that was the idea when the USA was established as a country, but people forgot what their ancestors where fighting for.
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