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Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by leakycap »

disney_ta_2025 wrote: post #115
leakycap wrote: post #2

I'm sure it's an accident and not intentional! A big corporation would never, ever do something like cause a delay so people cool off and don't bother actually canceling later.

Big corporations are made of people, some who post here. Disney's internal systems for something like this are a hodgepodge of the Hulu, D+/Bamtech, old corporate disney, and some bits sent out to SaaS. There's been multiple layers of layoffs and service ownership changes since the pandemic. I don't think the org would be able to rate limit by faking crashes if it tried. What is happening is that routes and systems t…

I appreciate this peek behind the curtain but don't share your cheer that humans being involved in the process somehow means it should get the benefit of the doubt when things like this happen.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by epistasis »

bluGill wrote: post #125
Cheer2171 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FCC chair literally said "We can do this the easy way or the hard way" the easy way being ABC cancelling it, the hard way being pulling the license. And if you wait for the license to be pulled as your red line, you misunderstand how this works. This is an actual threat, the kind of thing that mobsters get RICO charges for. The threat has done its work and served the purposes of the administration. The crime has alre…

Anyone can say anything. Follow through and abc can just ignore the order and tell everyone watching what is happening. They have the power of the pen and will get people running to their congressman. they blinked so we will never know.

Saying that they blinked seems to be an admission that it was a threat with impact, no?

What is there to blink about if it was not a threat?

If I walk up to someone with a gun and wave the gun around and demand they give me their money or I'll shoot them, it does not matter if I was "serious" or not about the threat. If I tell a jury that I wouldn't have actually ever have shot the person, and that they just decided to give me their money because they didn't really need it so much, I'm not sure any jury would agree, unless I was a hell of a salesman.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by aaronharnly »

flutas wrote: post #86
novemp wrote: post #62

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> There’s a relatively narrow rule which prohibits fcc licensed stations from knowing broadcasting false information if it has the possibility of creating civil unrest. Oh wow, I didn't realize Fox News wasn't FCC-licensed.

> fcc licensed stations Think your local K[3 letter] west of the Mississippi, W[3 letter] east of the Mississippi*. Not "Showtime" or "HBO" or "Cartoon Network" or "CNN" or "Fox News" or "MSNBC". That's why the affiliates started pulling it, because their license is what's on the line, not ABC/Disney directly. *: Except for KDKA, KYW, WFAA, WBAP, WOAI, WDAY, and WNAX.

Well, the subset of stations that pulled the show were the ones owned by a (right-wing) company, Nexstar, that has proposed a merger that is up for FCC review. It wasn’t fear of being punished for allowing a “falsehood” on the air, it was pursuit of favorable treatment from a political appointee.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by defrost »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #120
scheeseman486 wrote: post #77

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> What Kimmel Said, and the affiliates broadcasted, was a claim that Charlie Kirk’s assassin was a “maga” supporter. This is the actual quote: "We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it," Note that he doesn't say that the shooter was MA…

> he doesn't say that the shooter was MAGA, only that those within the right wing influencer sphere were desperately trying to characterize the shooter as anything other than one of them. This is unambiguously and factually true. I'll put it in the technically true but ambiguously misinformation category. (Which is on every metric better than what goes on at Fox.)

> technically true but ambiguous

which has been the backbone of satirical and scathing social and political commentary in the western world for 50 years at least.

The Daily Show, The -s30e102- 2025-09-18 Maria Ressa episode with Jon Stewart's monologue and interview went another way, "rolling over" completely into total Trump submission followed by drawing direct comparisons to Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte popularist seizing of control of government.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Ressa

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Duterte

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by SantalBlush »

lovelearning wrote: post #102
thierrydamiba wrote: post #47

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Call it HN’s rule: Never attribute to incompetence what can be attributed to malice

The problem with "Hanlon's Razor" is that everything can be explained by incompetence by making suitable assumptions. It outright denies the possibility of malice and pretends as if malice is rare. Basically, a call to always give the benefit of the doubt to every person or participant's moral character without any analysis whatsoever of their track record. Robert Hanlon himself doesn't seem to be notable in any area…

Yep, "Hanlon's Razor" is pseudo-intellectual nonsense. It sets up a false dichotomy between two characteristics, neither of which is usually sufficient to explain a bad action.

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Post by SoftTalker »

boc wrote: post #107
SoftTalker wrote: post #57

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These protest boycotts never last very long. There are many large brand names that have been boycotted over the years and they are all still in business and mostly bigger than ever. I believe Disney has been subjected to several.

Boycotts are different from unsubscribing. You can boycott Chic-fil-a and then one day return, but cutting off monthly revenue streams all at once is a much different dynamic. It takes a lot to get those customers back, especially for a service that already reaches most Americans.

Maybe. There are lots of people who subscribe to these streaming services for a month or a season and then cancel, and then sign up again later because there's a new show they want to watch.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by infinite8s »

bluGill wrote: post #45
epistasis wrote: post #35

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The FCC chair threatening your broadcast license is a pretty good "excuse". There wasn't a public outcry, it was a government outcry along with threats along multiple lines of leverage.

I find it hard to take that threat seriously. There would be blood on the street - real blood - americans won't stand for it. (Some will of course but enough would not that the fcc would blink)

Would you have gone to the streets for it?

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

nerdponx wrote: post #36
Aeolun wrote: post #10

What about what he said was so controversial? It seems entirely in line with everything else I’ve seen happen on these kinds of shows.

It wasn't controversial, but this is literally the textbook Manufacturing Consent model. The small number of people in positions of power at the network are either overtly aligned with the president that he just talked bad about, or want to stay or get on the president's good side. He doesn't even need to pick up the phone or post anything on social media, they know what they need to do.

It's more that ABC/Disney is beholden to two right-leaning broadcasters who are colluding with threats to assist in their prohibited merger that will be approved now because they just gave the felon a successful hand job. There is no indication that the ABC execs are anything more than spineless, unprincipled cowards who cave in a light breeze.

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Post by tbrownaw »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #124
lovelearning wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with "Hanlon's Razor" is that everything can be explained by incompetence by making suitable assumptions. It outright denies the possibility of malice and pretends as if malice is rare. Basically, a call to always give the benefit of the doubt to every person or participant's moral character without any analysis whatsoever of their track record. Robert Hanlon himself doesn't seem to be notable in any area…

That's because actual malice IS rare. Corporations are not filled with evil people, but people make perfectly rational, normal decisions based on their incentives that result in the emergent phenomenon of perceived malicious actions. Even Hitler's actions can be traced through a perfectly understandable, although not morally condone-able, chain of events. I truly believe that he did not want to just kill people and c…

That's why scapegoating and demonizing people is so bad, it's a way of telling folks that violence can make the world better instead of worse.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by kjkjadksj »

SoftTalker wrote: post #57
Terr_ wrote: post #21

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I considered that, but there's a very real risk that the bad-press of it crashing will have an even bigger financial effect.

These protest boycotts never last very long. There are many large brand names that have been boycotted over the years and they are all still in business and mostly bigger than ever. I believe Disney has been subjected to several.

Look at Target’s yearly chart. Then look at Walmart’s to see where it should have been.
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