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Re: Consider Knitting

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I agree, musical instruments also have the benefit of a much higher skill ceiling. That can also be a downside though, since it can make it frustrating to learn

> a much higher skill ceiling. As someone who both knits and plays a couple of instruments, I suspect you are underestimating the skill ceiling of knitting. Take a look at something like this: https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/the-queen-susan-sha... You're talking years of work to complete it. You may be thinking, "well, sure, but it's just doing the same relatively easy thing over and over for a really long t…

My mum knits and while yes the skill ceiling is still high no I don’t think it goes as high as art and music which is literally up to like virtuoso, unattainable levels

Knitting has a lower skill ceiling doesn’t mean knitting or design is easy. I know that well, my mum ran a knitting shop and still works on patterns part time. She still knits a lot of stuff for us and it takes a lot of skill and work

But it’s not Glenn Gould on piano, is it? It’s not playing Bach fugues

Re: Consider Knitting

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I find woodworking fun for basically all the same reasons. Plus there's still the math of adding up things to predict cut layouts, and you end up with a new shelf or box or table. I'm not sure I would use anything I knitted.

I find woodworking extremely alluring. I'd love to do woodworking, but that requires space for an environment which I don't have. I like to think that in a parallel universe I build guitars and restore old wooden furniture.

I'm trying out an alternative currently, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodcut.

It is well suited for me because

- I like wood

- I like knives

- I'm into typography

- it doesn't require that much work space

I have only just started out but it feels nice indeed! A hindrance is that I am not very artistically gifted, but as long as I make it mostly for myself, I don't mind too much.

Re: Consider Knitting

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The point about being disconnected with tactile sensation is very poignant. I've experimented with crafts before, but my go-to hobby has always been music - stringed instruments like the guitar. There's something very rewarding about the instant feedback you get when you fret down a string, and how much nuance you can get out of the smallest movements of your hands.

Likewise with physical instruments vs digital; it's very tempting for someone working in tech to stay there and use a DAW and the like, but a physical instrument has so much more depth. I've got a bodhrán which on the surface is one of the simplest instruments, but the variety of sounds you can get out of it is really stimulating (depending on where you hit it, how, how hard, how fast, how you hold it, where / whether you press your hand, etc). And it's living, depending on temperature, humidity, how long you've handled it, etc the sound changes.

Re: Consider Knitting

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post #49

I find woodworking fun for basically all the same reasons. Plus there's still the math of adding up things to predict cut layouts, and you end up with a new shelf or box or table. I'm not sure I would use anything I knitted.

I find woodworking extremely alluring. I'd love to do woodworking, but that requires space for an environment which I don't have. I like to think that in a parallel universe I build guitars and restore old wooden furniture.

Depending on where you live, there might be workshops nearby where you can sign up to use shared spaces (along with shared tools).

They're also the kind of places where they have lessons where you can sign up, so if you're interested in both classes and a space to work, they're a great fit.

Re: Consider Knitting

#135
Just no, programmers need something categorically different. Trekking, bicycle riding, gardening, are all nice hobbies.

But I don't take my advice as well, my hobbies are reading(kindle), games etc. So both work and hobbies are in front of computer. Don't recommend it.

Re: Consider Knitting

#136
I feel like HN really wants me to knit ;-) I was already considering taking knitting lessons because of this comment thread[0] from a week ago.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44128576

p.s. Oh, I just realized that "munificent", who posted the top-level comment in that thread, is also the author of this article.

Re: Consider Knitting

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> a much higher skill ceiling. As someone who both knits and plays a couple of instruments, I suspect you are underestimating the skill ceiling of knitting. Take a look at something like this: https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/the-queen-susan-sha... You're talking years of work to complete it. You may be thinking, "well, sure, but it's just doing the same relatively easy thing over and over for a really long t…

My mum knits and while yes the skill ceiling is still high no I don’t think it goes as high as art and music which is literally up to like virtuoso, unattainable levels Knitting has a lower skill ceiling doesn’t mean knitting or design is easy. I know that well, my mum ran a knitting shop and still works on patterns part time. She still knits a lot of stuff for us and it takes a lot of skill and work But it’s not Gle…

> I don’t think it goes as high as art and music which is literally up to like virtuoso, unattainable levels

There is a very old, very relevant observation that when men do something we call it "art" and when women do it we call it "craft".

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to compare a performative art like playing an instrument to a constructive art like knitting because the skillsets are so different. It's like trying to decide if ice cream is better than stand up comedy.

But I do think you can reasonably compare constructive arts like painting and knitting. For those, there are two aspects: coming up with the design for what you want to make, and implementing that design. Historically, the latter was given more weight than the former. The most famous painters of the Renaissance mostly just painted pictures of normal people, but it was the execution of those paintings that made them famous. Today, thanks to the invention of reproductive technology like cameras, we mostly prize originally of thought over execution. Andy Warhol is not a particularly skilled painter. (One way to think of the modern conception of "high art" versus "low art"—think Damien Hirst versus Thomas Kinkade—is exactly the distinction between concept and execution.)

Given all that, I would the best knitting designers on the same level as the best furniture designers or portrait painters. Most knitting is deliberately not conceptual, so it's hard to compare it to explicitly conceptual art. But if you think anything can reasonably be called art when it is mostly focused on quality and difficulty of execution, then knitting is an art with a ceiling as high as any other.

And, to be clear, there are fine artists whose medium is textiles as well. For example: https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-10-textile-art...

How you feel about those probably reflects mostly how you feel about much of modern art. But I don't see any reason it should be considered a lower rung of art than other sculpture media just because it uses fibers and not metal or glass.

Re: Consider Knitting

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Ugh, you're tempting me to switch back to an Aeropress.

Well, for just $2500-$4000 more have you considered a mid-range espresso machine & grinder? You might need an electrician to install a 20 amp circuit and it’s totally not portable and takes a long time to heat up, but you know, it’s another option. Or Aeropress. Either way works…

I mean... I live in Seattle, so yes.

But absolutely don't have room in my kitchen or time in the morning for that. If I was the kind of person who had a leisurely second cup of coffee in the afternoon, I probably would. But I have exactly one caffeine unit as soon as I wake up and I'm done for the day. My brain chemistry doesn't allow me to deviate from that.

Re: Consider Knitting

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No better time in history to learn guitar. Amazing online resources, the world is flooded with cheap guitars as well if you’re happy with 2nd hand. There is a technical side to it (tuning, restringing) and plenty of toys, pedals and computer integration to any nerd hearts content. Even if you get stuck at 3 chords it’s amazing the number of pop songs you can suddenly play. Plus if you get past there you still have cl…

I sometimes wonder if I'm broken in some way. I bought my first guitar in 1996 (a Mexican Fender Stratocaster) and my last guitar in 2018 (a Gibson SG). I've taken lessons with three different teachers. I've worked through a Hal Leonard book series. I've subscribed to Guitar Tricks for a while then switched to Justin Guitar. I have YouTube playlists a mile long where I try to learn songs. I keep a guitar in my office…

Start in a very slow fashion, like you're teaching kindergardeners songs, and key here is to use both feet to tap, every other beat on each foot, and do it slow as molases, count it 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 while alternating the feet. You can also move the body to that slow rhythm. After some time of doing this you'll realize you don't need to go that slow. Good luck!
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