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Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by const_cast »

Jensson wrote: post #129
const_cast wrote: post #101

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> And calling these protests merely "anti-Israel" is intentionally obtuse No actually I think it's right on the money. Some vaguely brown people being very mad at Israel does not antisemitism make. Are they denying the Holocaust? Are they saying Jews should die? Or... are they saying Israel is committing a genocide? Are they blaming those particular jews running Israel? I think we all know it's almost entirely the la…

> Are they saying Jews should die? Quite a lot of people are. Just because some don't doesn't mean that others aren't.

In every movement there are going to be extremists and people with prejudice.

However, you don't need to be antisemitic to be anti-Zionist. There are pretty much infinite reasons to denounce Israel, and the state seems to be making more every day.

If I, or anyone else, wanted to make a poignant argument against Israel we could simple gesture to the pile of crimes against humanity the state has committed. We wouldn't need to resort to antisemitism.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by ethbr1 »

spwa4 wrote: post #128
bernb wrote: post #126

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I can totally see how the settlements and politics of Israel in the westbank would prevent a viable Palestinian state. I know less about Gaza (haven't been there to begin with), but my impression is that Gaza had much more freedom within it's borders. It's unfortunate that the people there voted for a terror organization back then that as their very first act murdered the opposition and has no interest at all to work…

I think everyone forgets just how much money Palestinians receive, effectively because of the war with Israel (or they wouldn't receive anywhere near this amount without that war). This guarantees the war continues. None of the states in the middle east around Israel are anywhere close to Palestine, economically. What Palestinians are receiving amounts to $1000/person (or $13000/person/yr) for nothing . That doesn't…

You have to discount Gaza's economic development by needing to rebuild their infrastructure every few years and a complete blockade since 2007.

Why is there so much per capita aid to Gaza?

Because Israel prevents them from having a functioning economy.

Why does Israel prevent that?

Because then it would have to bargain with a stronger counterparty for an ultimate resolution.

Until Israel realizes that it either needs to (a) kill every man, woman, and child in Gaza or (b) grant them a functioning, independent state, the wheel will keep on turning. Israel represses and provokes Palestinians; Palestinians lash out; Israel cracks down militarily until international pressure forces them to stop; GOTO 10.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by immibis »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #108
mandmandam wrote: post #107

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The trouble is that Israel-Palestine is a proxy war with spiritual implications. Israel is composed of people who just went through a legitimate holocaust and genocide themselves. Therefore it seems logical to most people that they'd be ready and willing to exact vengeance in the measure it was dished out to them. Furthermore, their Tanakh (our Old Testament) details the battles between the Children of Israel and the…

> Israel is composed of people who just went through a legitimate holocaust and genocide themselves.

This gives them a free pass to commit a second one, right?

Also, no it's not. That's just not true. Israel is not composed of survivors of the Nazi Holocaust. The youngest survivors of the Nazi Holocaust are over 80 years old now. Is Israel composed of people over 80 years old? And is 80 years ago a time that "just" happened?

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by spwa4 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #132
spwa4 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think everyone forgets just how much money Palestinians receive, effectively because of the war with Israel (or they wouldn't receive anywhere near this amount without that war). This guarantees the war continues. None of the states in the middle east around Israel are anywhere close to Palestine, economically. What Palestinians are receiving amounts to $1000/person (or $13000/person/yr) for nothing . That doesn't…

You have to discount Gaza's economic development by needing to rebuild their infrastructure every few years and a complete blockade since 2007. Why is there so much per capita aid to Gaza? Because Israel prevents them from having a functioning economy. Why does Israel prevent that? Because then it would have to bargain with a stronger counterparty for an ultimate resolution. Until Israel realizes that it either needs…

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Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by ethbr1 »

spwa4 wrote: post #134
ethbr1 wrote: post #132

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You have to discount Gaza's economic development by needing to rebuild their infrastructure every few years and a complete blockade since 2007. Why is there so much per capita aid to Gaza? Because Israel prevents them from having a functioning economy. Why does Israel prevent that? Because then it would have to bargain with a stronger counterparty for an ultimate resolution. Until Israel realizes that it either needs…

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> I'm sure just like everything in your world this is a Jewish conspiracy...

Try and avoid assumptions and ad hom's, if you want someone to read the rest of what you wrote.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by spwa4 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #135
spwa4 wrote: post #134

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> I'm sure just like everything in your world this is a Jewish conspiracy... Try and avoid assumptions and ad hom's, if you want someone to read the rest of what you wrote.

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Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by WalterGR »

_zagj wrote: post #102
WalterGR wrote: post #65

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Well, right. In that case, all non-profits are "tax dodges" using the literal interpretation of the words. But tax dodge usually implies something unsavory... Is the issue that you don't think that any university - or perhaps specifically Harvard? - should be granted non-profit status? If that’s the case, then I'm curious what you think about the same question for religion-affiliated universities and non-profit organ…

> all non-profits are "tax dodges" No, some of them operate like genuine non-profits by promoting some public good and compensate their executives only modestly. For example, the Salvation Army.

Okay. Well, I'm sorry your feelings are so hurt. I'd suggest that you donate to the Salvation Army and not go to Harvard, then. It also sounds like you don't like education, so you could try looking for an organization that's trying to get rid of it.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by WalterGR »

_zagj wrote: post #103
wasabi991011 wrote: post #46

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According to the article you linked: > ... the National Association of College and University Business Officers issues a report on ... where the money [endowments] generate ends up. ... About 48 percent of investment income went to student aid ... about a quarter of the money ... went to academic programs and maintaining facilities. To claim it's a "tax dodge, and nothing more" without elaborating is absurd. I won't…

> About 48 percent of investment income went to student aid How much of that "student aid" just covers some of the astronomical tuition Harvard charges?

That's something that you can look up. Not "you" in the "some person" sense, but literally you. I suggest doing that. Your ‘arguments’ are falling flat because you don't have any facts, don't seem to be interested in learning any, and are just venting your personal feelings, which are neither compelling nor merely interesting.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by spinarrets »

yieldcrv wrote: post #38
spinarrets wrote: post #35

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On the flip side, accepting this funding has allowed for a lot of research to progress. Sometimes those strings attached still lead to a net good. Obviously, you should always have a plan for "what if this source of funding goes to zero, suddenly", and be prepared to walk away if needs be. But it's hard to imagine what university research would be like if they didn't accept Federal funding. (Much, much weaker, I'd im…

> If the usefulness of the work has proven itself now, then other sources can fund it.

What other sources? You can't just hand wave like that, make a specific proposal.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by yieldcrv »

spinarrets wrote: post #139
yieldcrv wrote: post #38

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> If the usefulness of the work has proven itself now, then other sources can fund it.

What other sources? You can't just hand wave like that, make a specific proposal.

The University’s endowment

Non profits

Various agencies in every municipal government

Various agencies in every state government

Various agencies in every other nation’s national government

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