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Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by const_cast »

uhhhd wrote: post #72
Braxton1980 wrote: post #50

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These protests were mostly against the state of Israel which isn't a violation of Title IX.I know there were specific instances of Anti-Semitism, which were wrong and should be punished, but is there evidence Harvard didn't take action for those? ----- My concern is that Anti-Zionism is being conflated with Anti-Semitism by the complainants in order to 1. Bolster their case wrongfully by increasing the number of inci…

"I know there were specific instances of Anti-Semitism, which were wrong and should be punished, but is there evidence Harvard didn't take action for those?" That is literally the allegation made in the lawsuit. And calling these protests merely "anti-Israel" is intentionally obtuse — it ignores the blatant anti-Jewish bigotry that was plainly on display.

> And calling these protests merely "anti-Israel" is intentionally obtuse

No actually I think it's right on the money.

Some vaguely brown people being very mad at Israel does not antisemitism make.

Are they denying the Holocaust? Are they saying Jews should die? Or... are they saying Israel is committing a genocide? Are they blaming those particular jews running Israel?

I think we all know it's almost entirely the latter, and almost none of the former.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by _zagj »

WalterGR wrote: post #65
_zagj wrote: post #63

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They pay no corporate income or capital gains tax.

Well, right. In that case, all non-profits are "tax dodges" using the literal interpretation of the words. But tax dodge usually implies something unsavory... Is the issue that you don't think that any university - or perhaps specifically Harvard? - should be granted non-profit status? If that’s the case, then I'm curious what you think about the same question for religion-affiliated universities and non-profit organ…

> all non-profits are "tax dodges"

No, some of them operate like genuine non-profits by promoting some public good and compensate their executives only modestly. For example, the Salvation Army.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by _zagj »

wasabi991011 wrote: post #46
_zagj wrote: post #29

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> what a 501(c)(3) nonprofit In the case of Harvard and many other institutions, it's a tax-dodge, and nothing more. Same thing with non-profit hospitals whose administrators pay themselves seven-figure salaries.

According to the article you linked: > ... the National Association of College and University Business Officers issues a report on ... where the money [endowments] generate ends up. ... About 48 percent of investment income went to student aid ... about a quarter of the money ... went to academic programs and maintaining facilities. To claim it's a "tax dodge, and nothing more" without elaborating is absurd. I won't…

> About 48 percent of investment income went to student aid

How much of that "student aid" just covers some of the astronomical tuition Harvard charges?

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by tmpz22 »

landl0rd wrote: post #98
tmpz22 wrote: post #97

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Canada failed to play ball when they joined us in Afghanistan and died alongside us? When they took in our jets on 9/11? How deep do you think I have to look to find dozens (or hundreds) of strong examples of the EU and other western allies "playing ball"? We seem to be focused a lot on Qatar and Saudi Arabia as our "good" allies. I don't blame you for falling for the rhetoric of a populist candidate willing to say a…

I don't think Qatar and Saudi are "good" allies. I don't think Canada and the EU were "bad" allies. Canada partially still is not. The EU is now regarding China.

And what is influencing the EU to “regard” China?

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by bernb »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #85
uhhhd wrote: post #74

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References to Israel are not unnecessary details when protestors call for the elimination of the only existing Jewish state. Anti-Zionism isn't criticism of Israel. Its eliminationist rhetoric and plainly bigoted.

>Anti-Zionism isn't criticism of Israel "opposition to the establishment or support of the state of Israel" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Zionism >Its eliminationist rhetoric and plainly bigoted. There are some who think Israel shouldn't exist others who think their government is wrong. If a person thinks all Israelis should be murdered then that's wrong. This is not the whole representation of Anti…

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Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by AlecSchueler »

markoman wrote: post #5

What exactly are the 'unsafe anti-Semitic actions' that Harvard Univ has committed? Is this whole thing about how Harvard hasn't suppressed the free speech rights of its students as they protested the wholesale bombing of Gaza? Its not like Harvard is rife with far-right activists denying the Holocaust and such. I can't imagine that Harvard wouldn't win their case quite roundly. Law firms & universities have to stop…

> protested the wholesale bombing of Gaza?

The rhetoric at the top nowadays is that Israel == the Jewish people, and the will of Israel == the needs of the Jews. To criticise their policy is anti-Semitic.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by mandmandam »

bernb wrote: post #105
Braxton1980 wrote: post #85

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>Anti-Zionism isn't criticism of Israel "opposition to the establishment or support of the state of Israel" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Zionism >Its eliminationist rhetoric and plainly bigoted. There are some who think Israel shouldn't exist others who think their government is wrong. If a person thinks all Israelis should be murdered then that's wrong. This is not the whole representation of Anti…

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Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by AStonesThrow »

mandmandam wrote: post #107
bernb wrote: post #105

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The trouble is that Israel-Palestine is a proxy war with spiritual implications.

Israel is composed of people who just went through a legitimate holocaust and genocide themselves. Therefore it seems logical to most people that they'd be ready and willing to exact vengeance in the measure it was dished out to them. Furthermore, their Tanakh (our Old Testament) details the battles between the Children of Israel and their neighbors, which were murderous, atrocious, and genocidal on both sides. Why should modern warfare be any different?

Conversely, Palestine is composed of an amalgam of pan-Arabic people and, correct me if I'm wrong, no particularly deep roots in terms of common ethnic descent, or claim to such land or territory, since it was British until recently. Therefore, the Palestinians are a stand-in for all the Arab world, and by proxy, we're fighting all those Arab terrorists by targeting Palestine, and vice versa. Now the Arab world is nakedly genocidal against the Jews. They really make no bones about their desire to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth. By proxy they did a pretty good job during WWII -- the Third Reich, being the enemy of their enemy, was greatly pleasing to the Arab world.

So the Middle East has two little Davids fighting each other on behalf of their respective Goliaths. Israel's campaign has finally ramped up to the point where the rest of the world cries injustice and genocide and enough. But Israel has vowed "never again [to us]" while living under very real and existential threat that the entire Arab world would very much do it again to them, if they had half the chance.

So if the West puts the brakes on Israel, then we're letting the other Goliath's David win, and nobody around here wants that.

Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by mandmandam »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #108
mandmandam wrote: post #107

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The trouble is that Israel-Palestine is a proxy war with spiritual implications. Israel is composed of people who just went through a legitimate holocaust and genocide themselves. Therefore it seems logical to most people that they'd be ready and willing to exact vengeance in the measure it was dished out to them. Furthermore, their Tanakh (our Old Testament) details the battles between the Children of Israel and the…

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Re: Federal agencies continue terminating all funding to Harvard

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Post by no_moresecrets »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #108
mandmandam wrote: post #107

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The trouble is that Israel-Palestine is a proxy war with spiritual implications. Israel is composed of people who just went through a legitimate holocaust and genocide themselves. Therefore it seems logical to most people that they'd be ready and willing to exact vengeance in the measure it was dished out to them. Furthermore, their Tanakh (our Old Testament) details the battles between the Children of Israel and the…

> the Arab world is nakedly genocidal against the Jews The Arab world historically (specifically the Palestinians) has never been the enemy of the Jews. It has always been other Europeans that have been the enemy of the Jews. Why should the Palestinians pay reparations under the form of genocide for what the Europeans did to the Jews?
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