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Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by izacus »

hyperman1 wrote: post #31
fooker wrote: post #22

Europe does every thing except the only needed thing, paying up. Not just for this, same for finding startups, helping Ukraine or Palestine.

It's worse. There is no Europe. There is no one who can decide to pay. It's a marriage of convenience between states that know they are ignored if they speak on their own. But each of them sees all others as a way to amplify their own voice but surely not have an independent thought. It's the penultimate example of trying to herd cats. Europe is good at commerce because it has to, the member states want to sell to ea…

This is a ridiculous falsehood and I'm wondering how you can live in such an obvious delusion.

Is this some kind of political bot post?

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by [deleted] »

geremiiah wrote: post #66
perihelions wrote: post #21

You people are too good at critical thinking to read "an investment of 500 million euros between 2025 and 2027" and not instantly write this off as empty grandstanding. How much does—or did, recently—the United States federal government invest in scientists in the USA? Is it ~$70 billion a year? [0] Europe can achieve America's (past) results when Europe starts talking with money. Science migration has historically g…

It's about money and everything else too. US is a really nice country to live in for high skilled individuals. An immigrant nation who speaks the international language, a fast growing economy, especially in cutting edge tech, with overall taxes lower than Europe and even the housing market crisis is not at bad as what you will encounter in many European cities. And its huge so for a lot of emigrants looking for a ne…

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Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by kgdiem »

klunger wrote: post #12

My department (at a Norwegian university) is working on a headhunting plan. The way the ERC grants are structured, the applicant needs a sponsoring institute. So, we are identifying researchers who are working on relevant topics, if we think it will be a good fit (and/or if we have successfully collaborated with them in the past). Some of the details are still being ironed out. The beauracracy is real! Even so, I gue…

How do you think that Norway’s wealth tax could impact its ability to draw talent from any other country? Knowing that, should you develop anything (drug, material, etc) and want to spin it out to a startup, you will be taxed on the unrealized valuation would weigh very heavily on me were I a researcher.

Full disclosure, I know that this isn’t everyone’s goal, but this is HN after all!

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by mjd »

hyperman1 wrote: post #31
fooker wrote: post #22

Europe does every thing except the only needed thing, paying up. Not just for this, same for finding startups, helping Ukraine or Palestine.

It's worse. There is no Europe. There is no one who can decide to pay. It's a marriage of convenience between states that know they are ignored if they speak on their own. But each of them sees all others as a way to amplify their own voice but surely not have an independent thought. It's the penultimate example of trying to herd cats. Europe is good at commerce because it has to, the member states want to sell to ea…

What do you mean here by "penultimate"?

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by cco »

czottmann wrote: post #130

English language version: https://www.wired.com/story/us-cuts-scientific-talent-europe... (Archived: https://archive.is/20250508090733/https://www.wired.com/stor... )

To be honest your post captures what will likely be the biggest hurdle, English.

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by ffsm8 »

tarboreus wrote: post #121
bdangubic wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unless you know, it gives you verifyable sources to dig in deeper to verify - much like Google search (minus the ads on top) :)

But you wouldn't post your google search either.

Lmgtfy links were extremely common around 2010, so ppl totally did

(Which is besides the point even, as the comment referencing chatgpt also provided links to sources)

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by bdangubic »

bdangubic wrote: post #101
Gazoche wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the love of everything, CHATGPT IS NOT A PRIMARY SOURCE. Always assume every fact it spits out is made up.

unless you know, it gives you verifyable sources to dig in deeper to verify - much like Google search (minus the ads on top) :)

why wouldn’t I if asked to provide source(s) for my “claim(s)”?

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by fakedang »

oerpli wrote: post #94
fakedang wrote: post #34

500 million for attracting the best academia is why Europe is a has-been and will continue to remain a has-been. The actual number should have been 50 billion, but Europe would rather spend that on consultants, policythinkers and thoughtleaders.

Actually most of Europe is spending it on subsidies for retirees and other people that prefer not to earn (or at least declare) any income.

Don't forget the free accommodations provided to the unmarried and high-libido doctors and engineers.

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by wvoch235 »

squigz wrote: post #86
geremiiah wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about money and everything else too. US is a really nice country to live in for high skilled individuals. An immigrant nation who speaks the international language, a fast growing economy, especially in cutting edge tech, with overall taxes lower than Europe and even the housing market crisis is not at bad as what you will encounter in many European cities. And its huge so for a lot of emigrants looking for a ne…

Don't most people in Denmark - and pretty much all Nordic countries - speak English?

Go to a typical Nordic community gathering space and speak English.... I'll wait. Are they treating you like a local yet?

Re: Europe launches program to lure scientists away from the US

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Post by wvoch235 »

The problem with the European mindset on this, is it's always involves bureaucrats taking their taxpayers money and allocating it in smarter ways than American investors who are doing it with their own money.

If that seems unlikely to work to you, then you possess critical thinking.

The US spends more on R&D (Private and Public) than the next 5 countries combined. Public research is and since the 70s has been a small fraction of research spending in the US. That's why their companies actually innovate.

If Europe doesn't change the inventive structures that are preventing investment in R&D, no amount of government money is going to fill that void...

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