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Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by jalict »

geremiiah wrote: post #29

Is it possible to fight Internet addiction without banning stuff? While it helps to ban smartphones during school, it won't stop these kids from logging on for 5 to 7 hrs after school. We need to find ways to make people (not just kids) more resilient to Internet addiction without resorting to widespread bans, which are both hard to implement, unlikely to keep people away long term and dangerous for other reasons.

> Is it possible to fight Internet addiction...

Yes!

> ...without banning stuff?

What incentive do companies have to do this? It seems quite profitable for them?

I am quite strict here with my comment; but honestly, I can't see much reason other than making new products that are made as an "anti" movement, but companies will just find new ways to get people hooked -- because it is profitable for them to do so.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by SwiftyBug »

messe wrote: post #77
_heimdall wrote: post #69

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The legal drinking age in Finland is 18 or 20, depending on the ABV. Where us the drinking age 16?

In Denmark anything less that 16.5% can be purchased by 16 year olds.

This is crazy. 16.5 is stronger than regular wine.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by constantcrying »

Y-bar wrote: post #127
constantcrying wrote: post #116

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In which country are 16 year olds not allowed to work?

In my nation 16-year olds may work outside of school hours (school is mandatory until they are 18 years old). There are other hard limits on which types of jobs and the time of day they may work. Work shall never interfere with school.

In Germany you can leave school at 16 and work full-time.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by watwut »

constantcrying wrote: post #99
watwut wrote: post #94

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Quite a lot of Germans learn quite a lot. German schools expect quite a lot from students that do actually want to go to better schools. But yes, it is possible to slack through it all if you want to slack.

>German schools expect quite a lot from students that do actually want to go to better schools. Not my experience. >But yes, it is possible to slack through it all if you want to slack. I was a good student though and did really well. I never learned for anything though and was bored in basically every subject. There never were any expectations on me which I didn't trivially meet.

Hey, you are the genius who knew it all before learning and got highest possible grades with no effort. Congrats.

Overwhelming majority of people is not like that, they do not get highest grades, they do not get into gymnasium without effort, don't pass tests without effort.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by zx90 »

constantcrying wrote: post #43
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #32

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I know several teachers. So these sorts of comments are always funny. I know math teachers who lack support but continuously attempt to present topics from different POV because some students don’t get it. So some self proclaimed smart person “learned nothing”, and therefore school is a waste of time. At the same time, ignoring that maybe a school or system is indeed not prepared to handle some individuals (which is…

As I wrote below. My most memorable math class was a teacher failing to explain fractions to me, what later became obvious to me was that the teacher did not understand fractions either. I am sure you want to blame me for this, but somehow I went to university and got a degree in (applied) mathematics. So I doubt it was some fundamental problem with me. Everybody is upset when someone tells them they fail at their jo…

To add another case: When I was 14 or so, a science teacher taught the whole classroom that the reason stars twinkle is because of light being waves. I considered interrupting and mentioning pockets of air with different densities, refraction, etc... I decided not to. I didn't want to be branded (again) a troublemaker. I hope nobody else in that classroom remembers that lesson.

Some teachers start with high spirits but most turn into regular slobs trying to get to the end of the month once they realise that their job is to mind the children while the parents work.

I was lucky enough to meet just a handful of teachers that tought me some values, the rest were just ... forgetable people.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by potato3732842 »

SwiftyBug wrote: post #132
messe wrote: post #77

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In Denmark anything less that 16.5% can be purchased by 16 year olds.

This is crazy. 16.5 is stronger than regular wine.

That's exactly the point. It's a middle ground ABV where there aren't a ton of products and below which are mostly fermented beverages and above which is distilled liquor.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

I deplore the fact that schools need to resort to banning phones.

When I was younger I imagined a world in which computing devices would be a boon to (young) people everywhere.

But many apps appear to be detrimental to people's mental health, both young and old.

Possibly this can be changed. Maybe separate app stores are a solution (think f-droid)? Or maybe we need to start looking a lot harder at apps that might actually be user hostile.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by thaanpaa »

js8 wrote: post #109
cudder wrote: post #91

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At least used to. Last few years Finland's PISA scores as measured by the OECD have plummeted and now they are just a bit above average but nowhere near what they used to be.

What do you think are the factors that caused this fall?

Voting for right-wing politicians repeatedly. You know, tax cuts for the wealthy, education cuts in fear of national debt, and all that jazz.

Re: Finland Bans Smartphones in Schools

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Post by dpatterbee »

constantcrying wrote: post #74
ndr42 wrote: post #49

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I've read the same comment from you as a response to three different comments. I will just answer here: "There is substantial evidence to suggest that education influences intelligence.[3]" (From Wikipedia) [3] Baltes, P., & Reinert, G. (1969). Cohort effects in cognitive development in children as revealed by cross sectional sequences. Developmental Psychology, 1, 169-177.

Why do you think I am "against learning"? I am saying that school is terrible at teaching . If the goal of schooling is that students learn then the school system I was in was a total failure. The moment I entered university I learned much more and much faster.

You're definitely wrong because I learned lots in school but university was completely useless.
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