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the goal of school and what it is used for are different thing. School is childcare
This is about Finland. They have a rather well-reputed school system that delivers in both areas.
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Depends on what. I can't even trust the 40 year developers in my team at work. "Hacky if foreach loop will fix later" Trust is a privilege that must be earned not given. Prove to me you're trustworthy and I'll give you trust. One untrustworthy 16 year old can cause hell chaos in a group of trustworthy teenagers. I've seen it when I was a youth worker.
Trust is by far most often given and earned (or lost) post facto. In fact, that's an essential characteristic of a society. > Depends on what. I can't even trust the 40 year developers in my team at work. "Hacky if foreach loop will fix later" Whenever people make statements like this, I always wonder what their peers think of them. This dismissive attitude is so off-putting.
If the goal of school is to develop children into young adults with good reasoning and analytical skills, a basic wholesome world and social model and some practical skills and basic physique, smartphones seem to contribute little and distract a lot from those aims.
Is that the aim of schools? It certainly did not appear to me that way, here in Germany. There was a lot of time spend sitting in a room and "learning", yet I basically learned nothing. For the other things you described I do not think they were ever considered. All around school was a giant waste of time.
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>the actual purpose of school is to socialise children I agree that this is probably the most important thing for children to learn. My point is that sitting in a room for 8 hours does very little to accomplish that. >And telling if time spent learning is wasted is actually quite hard - if you know something and everyone else knows something it often fades into the background and nobody notices. But it still makes a…
> To talk about schooling we first have to make clear what the goal is. What can I say; I like arguing. We don't actually have to choose a single goal - everyone can have different goals. If schooling isn't compulsory then you could have a mass of different people doing different things for different reasons and it all gets called 'schooling'. If schooling is state managed ... the same interest groups exist, they jus…
I completely agree. If I wanted anything from current schooling it would be giving students more abilities to develop themselves. Obviously that doesn't mean a 16 year old playing videogames for 12 hours a day, but students who like doing sports should be doing much more of it and those who like learning should be doing much more of that and so on.
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Depends on what. I can't even trust the 40 year developers in my team at work. "Hacky if foreach loop will fix later" Trust is a privilege that must be earned not given. Prove to me you're trustworthy and I'll give you trust. One untrustworthy 16 year old can cause hell chaos in a group of trustworthy teenagers. I've seen it when I was a youth worker.
Trust is by far most often given and earned (or lost) post facto. In fact, that's an essential characteristic of a society. > Depends on what. I can't even trust the 40 year developers in my team at work. "Hacky if foreach loop will fix later" Whenever people make statements like this, I always wonder what their peers think of them. This dismissive attitude is so off-putting.
Now your left with a code base forever with tech debt because of a hacky foreach if loop.
You're telling me you've never worked with anyone who does half arsed work? Where you need to pick up their slack? Lucky you.
Because if you can't do a proper job at least on elementary level then what do you do then when they refuse to fix their mess?
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Surely reading/writing are useful skills that most people did not have before school was mandatory.
I did not take me twelve years to learn to read and write. What an awful excuse. What made me good at reading was reading books outside of school . In a single semester of university I learned more than in 12 years of school.
The uni taught you more real-world expected skills but I‘m certain you learned more before uni.
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Is that the aim of schools? It certainly did not appear to me that way, here in Germany. There was a lot of time spend sitting in a room and "learning", yet I basically learned nothing. For the other things you described I do not think they were ever considered. All around school was a giant waste of time.
Quite a lot of Germans learn quite a lot. German schools expect quite a lot from students that do actually want to go to better schools. But yes, it is possible to slack through it all if you want to slack.
Not my experience.
>But yes, it is possible to slack through it all if you want to slack.
I was a good student though and did really well. I never learned for anything though and was bored in basically every subject.
There never were any expectations on me which I didn't trivially meet.
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Have you met a 16-year old?
They are old enough to drive certain vehicles and old enough to buy alcohol. If we trust them with that surely we can let them do things during the day without constant adult supervision.