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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by skerit »

collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

> With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded with a ton of low-effort, low-quality music

We've reached that point long before AI entered the scene. All the rest are drops in the ocean of mediocre music.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by eucryphia »

jsphweid wrote: post #60
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

I'm getting a little tired of hearing this quote at this point. What about humoring the opposite? I want AI to automate art so I can spend more time doing dishes and doing laundry. Dishes and laundry are purely analog human experiences. Art, at this point, is essentially digital, and digital is the domain of machines so we can let machines do that now.

I enjoy gardening, but use a hedge trimmer. Capital Investment in productivity enhancement so I can manage a larger, more complex garden.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

mindwok wrote: post #36
ipaddr wrote: post #21

The interest in ai music generation is lower than I initially thought. I jumped in but felt the exercise lacked the joy of making music physically or with software like pro tools. With pro tools you control the thousands of knobs which gives you more control. These AI models take away that connection. You can play around with different words to get different results but it's like painting with a shotgun. No one wants…

The impact of AI on creative fields will be pretty nuanced I feel. I don't think we will end up in a world where everyone is just AI generating the media they want. In some cases we will, for example stuff like lo-fi beats on YouTube are already started to be bulk made by AI because really it's just fancy white noise for people to use to work. Actual music (like what you find on Spotify) I think won't be impacted ver…

I could see myself listening to AI music in Spotify, not as the main act but at least as a Plan B.

For example, I like a specific music genre, Italodance, which was popular in the 90s and then disappeared. The problem is that I have listened to all of it, as far as I know. No more is being made. If an AI model could make more for me, with decent quality, I'd probably listen to it.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by viccis »

jsphweid wrote: post #60
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

I'm getting a little tired of hearing this quote at this point. What about humoring the opposite? I want AI to automate art so I can spend more time doing dishes and doing laundry. Dishes and laundry are purely analog human experiences. Art, at this point, is essentially digital, and digital is the domain of machines so we can let machines do that now.

Is there a point to this other than trolling, or is it legitimate philistinism?

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by dkga »

koiueo wrote: post #52
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

> I want Al to do my laundry Do you want a washing machine with Alexa built-in? Be careful what you ask for. (I know what you meant, but the only laundry-related AI you can hope for, is a cloud connected smart speaker telling you it can't wash with unapproved third party detergent pods)

Someone (probably from here) would develop a local inference model probably - or hopefully.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by jamesrcole »

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

> You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction.

> I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes.

This implies a zero-sum where resources put into LLMs are resources taken away from robotics, and having to choose between one or the other.

The reality is that we can have both, and people are working on both. And I'd bet that advancing LLMs will help to advance useful robotics.

So I really dislike that sentiment.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by spacechild1 »

raincole wrote: post #50
ipaddr wrote: post #21

The interest in ai music generation is lower than I initially thought. I jumped in but felt the exercise lacked the joy of making music physically or with software like pro tools. With pro tools you control the thousands of knobs which gives you more control. These AI models take away that connection. You can play around with different words to get different results but it's like painting with a shotgun. No one wants…

> No one wants to hear other people's ai songs because they lack meaning and novelty. Not true. No one wants to pay for other people's ai songs. There are so many AI songs on youtube (mostly lofi or traditional Japanese instrumental) and they cumulatively have quite a lot of view. The thing is for quite a lot people, music is just something they put in background while doing their office desk jobs. It's just there to…

> The thing is for quite a lot people, music is just something they put in background w

You are absolutely right. These people only listen to music passively and so it doesn't make a big difference who/what made these tracks. Same for lots of commercial music (cheap TV show soundtracks, commercials, jingles, playlists for restaurants or shops).

But for anyone who actively listens to music and appreciates the style and evolution of certain artists, AI music is not acceptable. The very premise just feels wrong, if not outright insulting.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by ionwake »

malthaus wrote: post #38
mvkel wrote: post #2

"Releases" is a strong word, as in typical google fashion, the actual thing that was released was a waitlist form.

don't be so cynical, maybe 10 of us on the waiting list can actually use it before it gets discontinued again

$10 they have no product, just a wait list and a note to embrace and extinguish some random music ai startup at some point in the nebulous future.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by numpad0 »

a2128 wrote: post #46
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are actually just the problems easier for researchers to solve, mostly due to a lot of readily available data.

Everyone shares music and art they make but nobody ever shares videos and motion capture of themselves doing laundry and vacuuming their house. Maybe we need to start sharing that instead

Even teleops are janky as hell, robots needs bodies

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by rafaelmn »

antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

That sounds like a comment about streaming and artists getting basically nothing from it ?

I think music AI in live music would actually be interesting - theoretically it can react to crowds better than any human could. A group music editing session with the AI weaving it to music - sounds like a fun art project.

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