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Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by scott_w »

bena wrote: post #58
scott_w wrote: post #6

This is a truly excellent article and shines a light on a real problem and how it affects people in a real way. It’s an example of something that I’d seen rumblings of in left leaning media: that DEI was being implemented in the laziest and stupidest possible ways (though the ire was mostly directed at marketing efforts by corporations). A story of a smaller, not that harmful, example of this laziness and stupidity:…

> I do think that, particularly in the USA, the refusal of the left in power to critically engage with this topic in a thoughtful way has left the space open to Trump and people like him to turn it into a toxic rallying cry for supporters. You've said this, but in this thread alone you've seen the opposition refusing to engage with the topic thoughtfully. They just repeat their rhetoric ad nauseum. I don't think crit…

> You've said this, but in this thread alone you've seen the opposition refusing to engage with the topic thoughtfully. They just repeat their rhetoric ad nauseum.

I don't disagree with you, however I singled out the USA because, over the period of this article, both Obama and Biden were both president. Ultimately, the people arguing against my point can point to kernels of truth and of things that did happen. While I disagree with their diagnosis, I can't point to the fact that the issues were recognised and attempts made to address them. And, ultimately, Trump did win the presidential election partially off the back of this!

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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spectraldrift wrote: post #9
wand3r wrote: post #3

> I know, I know. The evidence is unambiguous that the bar was lowered, deliberately, over many years and with direct knowledge. The evidence is unambiguous that a cheating scandal occurred. The whole thing is as explosive as any I’ve seen, and it touches on a lot of long-running frustrations. This is likely the most common complaint about DEI, it provides grounds for race based discrimination and lowers the bar. I a…

The bar wasn’t lowered at all. What happened was that the FAA stopped giving preferential treatment to a separate group—namely, CTI graduates—by replacing their streamlined path with a flawed biographical screening. Every candidate still has to pass the same rigorous training and certification.

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Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by malfist »

boohoo123 wrote: post #118

There's a simple fix to removing discrimination in hiring practices that no one seems to notice. Remove all demographic questions from the application. Hide the name and gender and attach a applicant ID. It's as easy as that. Every job should be looking for the most qualified individual regardless of race, nationality, religion, and sex. Demographics in the application are a recipe for disaster on both sides of the i…

For every difficult and complex problem, there's a simple, easy and wrong solution.

Demographics questions on job applications do not get shown to recruiters nor interviewers.

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by alistairSH »

mistermann wrote: post #87
jtgverde wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Well, he's also an alcoholic sexual abuser, both of which would have DQed him 20 years ago. But, then the guy that hired Hegseth is a felon and rapist, so here we are, as a nation, mostly totally ok with the current state of affairs.

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by ToValueFunfetti »

spectraldrift wrote: post #12
thaumasiotes wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the FAA also leaked the official answers to the biographical screen to black interest groups so that they could teach black applicants to cheat on the screen.

That’s not exactly what happened. The article shows that an FAA employee leaked guidance on answering the biographical questionnaire to members of the NBCFAE. This wasn’t an official FAA policy but a rogue action. Every candidate still had to pass the same rigorous training and certification process, which is extremely difficult and selective.

It's hard to defend it as a rogue action, given:

> The FAA investigated, clearing the NBCFAE and Snow of doing anything wrong in an internal investigation.

They don't seem to have overlooked what he did either, they just determined that it was okay

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Post by Covzire »

legitster wrote: post #110
BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From an external (not US) PoV, it might also be that DEI was too much of a sacred cow before to call a spade a spade.

Maybe! But in this case, the bulk of the mistakes by the FAA happened in the 2012-2014. In the middle of the Obama administration, but well before the bulk of the really controversial post-BLM DEI stuff that the current administration is largely attacking.

It's all connected, DEI(B) is just the latest revision of the beast.

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by theossuary »

Manuel_D wrote: post #120
theossuary wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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But "having their privilege taken away" is a vastly different thing than "answers to a multiple choice test are leaked to an ethnic affinity group". Furthermore, this also negatives impacted Latin and Asian people. And also Black people that weren't part of the aforementioned affinity group.

I simply responded to the above comment saying eliminating the privilege of white people is a dogwhistle for being racist against white people. It's not. I said nothing about the post, and don't know why you're bringing it up. Please try to keep context in mind so you don't make halfbaked statements.

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by jwkpiano1 »

s3r3nity wrote: post #108
insane_dreamer wrote: post #71

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>But at the same time we -- meaning Trump and the GOP Senate -- just appointed the least qualified candidate in the history of the US... I'm old enough to remember when Biden nominated someone with no aviation experience to lead the head of the FAA, and also had corruption charges while acting as head of the LA transit system....AND Democrats were in _favor_ of that lack of experience: "Democrats...spinning his lack…

Dude, none of that has _anything_ to do with being able to run a huge organization. Nothing. It’s undeniable that Hegseth, even if you ignore all of the white supremacist shit, is completely unqualified to run a large organization. Noting other folks that aren’t super qualified doesn’t change that one bit, and it’s insulting to others’ intelligence to suggest it does.

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by drawkward »

sollewitt wrote: post #98
justonceokay wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s because it isn’t actually about qualification. It’s actually about a lack of accountability. Trump wants everyone to be able to hire their friends just like he does, optics be damned. I think a lot of people actually agree with this at a visceral level. Left leaning people are more concerned with power controlled by nepotism and “unfair” connections. To me that is a kind of sour grapes view fueled by too many…

Sour grapes rather than valuing fairness? Elementary school kids are huge on fairness and injustice. It seems like it's built in to facilitate group social dynamics in great apes. It takes a lot of sophistication to be able to frame valuing fairness as a character flaw.

elementary kids are also some of the most violent people per capita.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3283570/

Downvote if you like, but kids' community values are typically enforced with antisocial behavior

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