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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

dblohm7 wrote: post #63
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? "The rules need to be changed because the wrong people keep winning" sounds very suspicious to me. If the situation is as you describe, what really needs to change is that the two left parties need to merge, or one of them needs to become such a marginal player that it doesn't matter. If the leaders of those parties can't or won't do that, well, then you get the situation that you have.

> So? "The rules need to be changed because the wrong people keep winning" sounds very suspicious to me. That's not what they're saying. In Canada, we can easily end up with parliamentary majorities for parties that have less than 50% of the popular vote. Sometimes substantially less.

No, I got that part. That's true in any first-past-the-post system, and especially true in ones with more than two major parties. (The solution to that would be proportional representation rather than first-past-the-post.)

But the complaint seemed to be, not that it kept happening, but that it kept favoring the Conservatives. So, on the one hand, the fact that it keeps favoring one party is an issue. On the other hand, the way the complaint was made makes it sound like it's not coming from a position of objectivity.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by snakeyjake »

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #50
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

>'The intent was not to get at the families', and when a democratic government starts a sentence that way something deeply #&$#ed up has happened." Wait, are people that shocked that their democratic governments are wiling to act like mobsters/dictators against a minority group just to get their way and appease a majority, when the history books are full of such examples? People must have a short memory then and why…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by nemo44x »

dylan604 wrote: post #70
redeux wrote: post #59

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I haven’t been following the news recently. What is the talk of annexation? First I’ve heard of it.

Trump I feel like a single word should explain it, but I know HN abhors single word responses. Trump has threatened tariffs and has mentioned annexing Canada. He's also mentioned buying Greenland, trading Puerto Rico for Greenland, and a bunch of other notions.

Greenland actually makes a lot of sense. I think if every citizen there was offered $5million they’d vote yes. And it’s entirely reasonable from the USA perspective as it’s not that much overall for the US.

Probably wouldn’t make a state but treat like Puerto Rico where they continue to self govern and citizens can freely move to the USA as they’d have USA passports.

For USA very strategic naval passages and mineral extraction.

It’s not that crazy really and I think there’s a deal that’s mutually beneficial where everyone wins and is better off long term.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by warmlander99 »

brailsafe wrote: post #118
mardifoufs wrote: post #45

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Would it be possible for it to not happen right away? They are in a minority government without a PM, I really wonder if there's a way the elections aren't triggered basically instantly.

He stays on until late march, they need to select a new party leader and then an elections held

Unfortunately, the liberal party rules say they require a minimum of four months to elect a new leader. They may be able to fast track it in three months, but it’s entirely up to the liberal party so I suspect Trudeau will still be leader when Parliament resumes.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by busterarm »

gpm wrote: post #123
dylan604 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump I feel like a single word should explain it, but I know HN abhors single word responses. Trump has threatened tariffs and has mentioned annexing Canada. He's also mentioned buying Greenland, trading Puerto Rico for Greenland, and a bunch of other notions.

Taking back the Panama Canal comes to mind. It seems to me that he really wants to do some empire building, but hasn't figured out a way that people would actually accept (and isn't interested in the modern version of treaty based "empires").

In fairness, the US paid for the Panama Canal and have continued to sustain it despite no "ownership".

Panama is only relevant because of the US investment in the Canal and they claim ownership when it suits them and then cry poverty every time investments need to be made.

Panama is currently playing with fire by courting foreign interest that doesn't align with the US, who are effectively their paymasters.

It's not a sudden "empire-building" move by the US. The fact that the canal exists at all has always been because of the US Empire. Panama is playing a dangerous game of FA&FO.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by catgary »

kubb wrote: post #126
catgary wrote: post #107

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There had already been one standoff between local residents and truckers, I remember there being chatter that the next weekend groups were going to coordinate in their neighborhoods and drive out the convoy on their own (using baseball bats, cast iron skillets, or golf clubs if need be). The situation had the potential to turn into an absolute blood bath.

In the US some psychopath straight up shot and killed a climate activist who was in the way of his car. It’s a miracle something similar didn’t happen there.

If someone tried this protest in the US someone would have been shot night one.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dylan604 »

gpm wrote: post #123
dylan604 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump I feel like a single word should explain it, but I know HN abhors single word responses. Trump has threatened tariffs and has mentioned annexing Canada. He's also mentioned buying Greenland, trading Puerto Rico for Greenland, and a bunch of other notions.

Taking back the Panama Canal comes to mind. It seems to me that he really wants to do some empire building, but hasn't figured out a way that people would actually accept (and isn't interested in the modern version of treaty based "empires").

To me, the canal thing is the only thing he's mentioned that is possible. There's a stipulation that does allow for that, just like there's a stipulation that the crown can do away with parliament in the UK. Doesn't mean it's an unlikely provision to be invoked without a lot of negative baggage to the point they are not likely to happen.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by [deleted] »

kubb wrote: post #126
catgary wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There had already been one standoff between local residents and truckers, I remember there being chatter that the next weekend groups were going to coordinate in their neighborhoods and drive out the convoy on their own (using baseball bats, cast iron skillets, or golf clubs if need be). The situation had the potential to turn into an absolute blood bath.

In the US some psychopath straight up shot and killed a climate activist who was in the way of his car. It’s a miracle something similar didn’t happen there.

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by vivekd »

redeux wrote: post #100
mlekoszek wrote: post #74

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There's a good summary here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_r... At least one Canadian business magnate (Kevin O'Leary) has tried to position himself in on the deal and visited Trump at Mar-a-Lago to talk details. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/kevin-oleary-donald-t...

If this is true and Canada has not arrested O’Leary then they’ve already shown how weak they are to naked sedition and it’s only a matter of time before something terrible happens.

I don't think there's any need to arrest anyone as a show of strength. I don't feel the threat of an actual American invasion and I like living in a free society that doesn't go around arresting people for political show. Most of us are offended by Kevin being a self appointed negotiator on behalf of Canada but it's not like government is bound by anything he says so if he wants to talk in private with Trump as a private citizen so be it.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by gadders »

catgary wrote: post #109
MattGaiser wrote: post #88

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Or the ones in Coutts with guns and a pipe bomb.

Yeah are we forgetting Alberta truckers who were planning to murder RCMP officers, and were straight-up terrorists?

The thing they were found not guilty of? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/anthony-olienick-chri...
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