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Re: They have not been trained for this

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This ("software people to jailbreak them") is exactly the identity of the hackers who have been sued

It takes a lot of resources, all rooted in a lot of uncertainty. Not an option for businesses that need equipment.

It not only was an option in this case, it was the path taken when all the other options were depleted.

Re: They have not been trained for this

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post #44

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> This really has to stop. "We", the totally homogeneous group of software professionals could make this stop. "We" don't.

Yea, every time I read one of these articles, I can’t help but think: “A software engineer sat down and wrote this remote kill switch." We, as a profession are responsible for this shit, or at the very least, complicit. Regulation is one thing, but also, software engineering as a profession is in dire need of ethical standards. Just because we can code something doesn’t mean we should.

To have what you're asking for requires transparency.

It wasn't just a faceless and nameless software engineer it was a real human being with a name.

Until it is mandated that public infrastructure is developed in the open so we know precisely who attempts to add features to render a product defective by design we will not be able to fix this.

Re: They have not been trained for this

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i am doing little more than lamenting the hurdles placed in front of me that i couldn't figure out how to overcome (albeit with a dash of frustrated snark), after having spent north of three hours of my time today. i am not rich, nor well off by many reasonable measures. i rent a small room in a small town, hardly making ends meet, but i simply wanted to donate a couple bucks toward a cause i believe in, out of princ…

Hey, thank you for trying to donate and sorry it was more difficult than it should be. I think even writing about the effort that you put into it helps. <3

Thank you for your generous donation <3

Re: They have not been trained for this

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The most popular way to transfer money between friends in Poland is a BLIK-to-phone-number transfer. Those transfers are done from the banking app. I don’t need to know someone’s account number, I just need their phone number. BLIK transfers are instant, unlike regular bank transfers, which may take up to 1 business day (specifically, they are done via batch processing 3 times in a business day), and they are always…

BLIK payments are just an interface on top of regular bank payments.

They are an interface on top of Express Elixir, not Elixir.

Re: They have not been trained for this

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I just donated 133,7€ and will gladly do it again if further legal costs arise. Please consider also making a generous donation and post about it in this thread. What Newag is doing here is absolutely vile. They want to charge 20.000€ per train to “reactivate” them after they have been serviced at third party workshops. We must not let them win and set a precedent. I highly encourage everyone to watch the previous pr…

Precedent isn't as big a concern as many might think, most of Europe does not operate under a precedent-based justice system: it doesn't matter what were the previous decisions of courts on similar cases, the law is the only thing that matters.

Re: They have not been trained for this

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BLIK payments are just an interface on top of regular bank payments.

They are an interface on top of Express Elixir, not Elixir.

Both are an option for regular transfers.

What I meant is that in BLIK, phone number gets resolved to a bank account number and a regular (express) transfer gets made, which can be seen in your account history.

Re: They have not been trained for this

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post #29

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> I highly encourage everyone to watch the previous presentation: https://media.ccc.de/v/37c3-12142-breaking_drm_in_polish_tra... According to the schedule [1], there's a presentation from that team titled "We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure" that will start at 23:00 local time (in about 30 minutes at the time of this writing) on this livestream [2]. Edit: presentation's over and it…

Here's the live recording link for those who missed it and are too impatient to wait for the cleaned-up one: https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/relive/233cb1d4-4833-538...

... so a version of the train unlock logic looks at door status and WC emergency button?

You do NOT fuck with the safety system.

Sure, it's not the mission critical safety system and you're only reading it, so what's the harm? Well, one of these days someone doing that is going to typo == into a =, or whatever the PLC version of one-character oopsie is.

Re: They have not been trained for this

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For Europeans, this is an extremely easy method and the normal way to send money electronically. The information provided is all that's needed. If you're trying to send from America, it's still the normal way to send a payment to Europe so see how your bank sends international payments.

> If you're trying to send from America, it's still the normal way to send a payment to Europe It’s not; SWIFT is, and that requires additional information not shown there (although some of it is encoded in the IBAN if you know how to decode it).

SWIFT is not a payment system. It’s only a messaging system. It’s generally used to send initiating orders between financial institutions but they then have to be cleared or directly settled through something else.

Re: They have not been trained for this

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I don't suppose they have any other published, easier methods? I spent almost an hour trying to jump through the fiery, spinning hoops being dangled by my bank website only to finally at the end be given an "It looks like this part of our site isn't working. Please try again later." Thank you, bank /s For anyone else wanting to try their hand and weather the gauntlet, I found slightly more detail of their published b…

I'd love all participants in this thread to provide their countries. As a Belgian (EU), I love how I can pay them just by sending them money, without all these weird intermediate companies stealing your personal details and sometimes even your money. To answer some contras: In my experience, the process takes about 10 seconds before the payment confirmation appears in the destination bank. Outside business hours and…

10 seconds in a German bank? You must be joking, it still takes days.

Re: They have not been trained for this

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You speak like working at a company exists in a vacuum. It doesn't. You are (generally, in Western society) free to stop working for that company. If everyone refuses to write the code, then the company won't have that code. Easily said than done, of course, because life has many pressures. But I dislike this "oh can't do anything about it individually, let's give up and double down on unethical behaviour" attitude (…

Whose interests does it serve to place the blame on individual employees?

Sounds like a cop out response. Placing blame on individual employees is not mutually exclusive with placing blame on a company's board.
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