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Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by dsign »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #126

haven't been in the loop for a while, stupid question: why do people hate adobe

Not a graphic designer, so I can't speak for their reasons, only for mine. First, I had a photoshop subscription and when I cancelled they wanted to fine me for cancelling. Then they bought the Substance suite and made it subscription only and very expensive (unless you buy the Steam version, whose price they doubled). That also hurt me, when I could barely afford those tools

I'm better off now, but I have a long memory and prefer to vote with my wallet by paying multiples to any competitor...which generally speaking is better for me and everybody else, since competition is the mother of innovation.

Apropo, Marmoset Toolbag 5 is out; it comes with a permanent license, it has a huge materials library, and the interface is very snappy and it doesn't feel like it has been programmed using Electron. You don't need to pay for Substance Painter this year.

Ah, and Adobe's latest exploit was a confusing TOS that more or less stated they would use your work that you edited locally with their software to train their AI models. I think they walked that one back when the wave of outrage hit them.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by AbraKdabra »

Ok that's VERY impressive, now give me the possibility of exporting it as an .stl to 3D print and then we'll be talking. Just imagine drawing something in 2D and be able to print it as a fully 3D object, it gives me chills just by thinking about it.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by oarsinsync »

reaperducer wrote: post #49
renegade-otter wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's a Big Tech problem. Big Tech can come up with moronic ideas and be fine because they have unlimited cash. It's the smaller companies that need to count pennies who decide to flush the money down the AI Boondoggle Toilet. "But Google does it. If we do it, we will be like Google".

"But Google does it. If we do it, we will be like Google". Were you in my meeting about 40 minutes ago? Because that's almost exactly what was said. If the big tech companies wanted to be really evil, they could invent a nonsense tech that doesn't work, then watch as all the small upstart competitors bankrupt themselves to replicate it.

Sounds a bit like trying to roll and support your own k8s platform

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

ryandrake wrote: post #10

I'm making some big assumptions about Adobe's product ideation process, but: This seems like the "right" way to approach developing AI products: Find a user need that can't easily be solved with traditional methods and algorithms, decide that AI is appropriate for that thing, and then build an AI system to solve it. Rather than what many BigTech companies are currently doing: "Wall Street says we need to 'Use AI Some…

Yeah but sometimes, they just f it up. Like the PS crop tool was aok then they introduced the move the background instead of the crop rectangle way of cropping which is still to this day a terrible experience.

Also, Lightroom is one of the worst camera tools out there. It's only known because ADOBE...

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by latexr »

qerti wrote: post #130
latexr wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think those ideas are mutually exclusive. I heavily dislike Adobe and think they’re a rotten company with predatory practices. I also think “AI art” can be harmful to artists and more often than not produces uninteresting flawed garbage at an unacceptable energy cost. Still, when I first heard of Adobe Firefly, my initial reaction was “smart business move, by exclusively using images they have the rights to”.…

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You’re focusing on an irrelevant part of the comment and making a straw man out of it. Your account has very little content so you may be unfamiliar with the HN guidelines, in which case I urge you to refer to them before proceeding.

Discussion should assume good faith and responses should become more substantive, not less, as the conversation goes on.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by insane_dreamer »

porphyra wrote: post #33

I find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.

Can't speak for PS vs GIMP but I used to use Illustrator a fair bit and Inkscape was nowhere near it in terms of both features and useability. Now that was 15 years ago, so it may have caught up.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

porphyra wrote: post #33

I find that Adobe is really pulling away from open source software with all this AI stuff. A few years ago it could be argued that GIMP, Inkscape, and Darktable could do almost everything that Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom could, albeit with a jankier user interface. But now none of the open source software can compete with AI generative fill, AI denoising, and now AI rotation.

They can, but the user experience is abysmal, useless and nerve racking.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by leviathant »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #14

SIGGRAPH from over a decade ago has entered the chat... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oie1ZXWceqM It may not be AI, but this single video blew my mind back in *2013* and I find myself thinking about it often.

>SIGGRAPH from over a decade ago has entered the chat... > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oie1ZXWceqM

A version of this was available in Photoshop for a long time, but I think the feature was deprecated and removed completely this year. I had used it for a few things here and there, but dedicated 3D tools were much better if you were working in that space.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by latexr »

bee_rider wrote: post #129
latexr wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the goal of your comment? You’re making a straw man argument which in no way relates to my point and ridicules the opinions of people not on this thread. That makes for uninteresting and needlessly divisive conversation. The HN guidelines rightfully urge us to make substantive comments that advance the discussion and avoid shallow dismissals. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I think they are actually agreeing with you. Just, in a somewhat unpleasant and sarcastic manner. They aren’t strawmanning your argument, right? They are strawmanning the argument against it.

> They aren’t strawmanning your argument, right? They are strawmanning the argument against it.

Yes, that’s the impression I got out of it too. I disapprove either way. I’d sooner defend a good argument against my point than a bad argument in favour of it.

I come to HN for reasoned, thoughtful, curious discussion.

Re: Adobe's new image rotation tool is one of the most impressive AI tools seen

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Post by zerkten »

latexr wrote: post #112
emmanueloga_ wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're being a bit too generous with Adobe here :-). I shared this before, but it's worth resharing [1]. It covers the experience of a professional artist using Adobe tools. The gist is that once a company has a captive audience with no alternatives, investors come first. Flashy (no pun intended :-p), cool features to impress investors become more important than the everyday user experience—and this feature d…

I don’t think those ideas are mutually exclusive. I heavily dislike Adobe and think they’re a rotten company with predatory practices. I also think “AI art” can be harmful to artists and more often than not produces uninteresting flawed garbage at an unacceptable energy cost. Still, when I first heard of Adobe Firefly, my initial reaction was “smart business move, by exclusively using images they have the rights to”.…

Whether they avail of it, or not, Adobe have the possibility of accessing feedback and iterating on it for a lot of core design markets. I have a similar view to yours, but there is a segment of the AI community who feel that they are disrupting Adobe as much as other companies. In most cases, these companies have access to the domain experience which will enable AI and it won't work the other way around.

All of this is orthogonal to Adobe's business practices. You should expect them to operate the way they do given their market share and the limited number of alternatives. I personally have almost moved completely to Affinity products, but I expect that Adobe should be better placed to execute products and for Affinity to be playing catchup to some extent.

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