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Any source on that?
Be real. You’re obviously not going to be able to find a source for that. I think the facts stated above (about the lack of a visible human footprint for this company) easily raise a presumption that something is not right.
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To make things even stranger, Durov was apparently invited to lunch by Macron. Instead of a presidential welcome, he was arrested on arrival. Source: https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1828529272539304278
I find it deeply uncomfortable that the HN contingent is rushing to defend the French government on this matter. The European Union has been angling for more comprehensive access to messaging platforms with proposal after proposal. Everyone here loves to sing the praises of the EU but broad regulatory powers is not a clear cut value proposition: European governments and those governed have a long history of oppressio…
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> Platforms like Signal can get away with this because they are properly E2E encrypted, and cannot identify illegal content. Signal isn't magically protected by proper E2E encryption. When the time comes to take them down legally, all that's needed is evidence from end users phones demonstrating illegal activities occurring over Signal. But - for now - Signal seems to have better friends and or be upsetting less auth…
> all that's needed is evidence from end users phones demonstrating illegal activities occurring over Signal No, that's non sense. It is perfectly legal to operate a E2E encrypted platform in the EU. What would be illegal is for Signal to refuse to answer when asked for information by the justice system. As long as they are cooperative and provide what they can - even if it's not much - everything is alright.
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> Platforms like Signal can get away with this because they are properly E2E encrypted, and cannot identify illegal content. Signal isn't magically protected by proper E2E encryption. When the time comes to take them down legally, all that's needed is evidence from end users phones demonstrating illegal activities occurring over Signal. But - for now - Signal seems to have better friends and or be upsetting less auth…
> all that's needed is evidence from end users phones demonstrating illegal activities occurring over Signal No, that's non sense. It is perfectly legal to operate a E2E encrypted platform in the EU. What would be illegal is for Signal to refuse to answer when asked for information by the justice system. As long as they are cooperative and provide what they can - even if it's not much - everything is alright.
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> But it should only have been done after rules have been set and are clear to everyone. Rules are and were always very clear. That's called the law. I don't understand why people here are acting like if there somehow was something surprising in Durov arrest. > Like entrapment, this is action is about as low and debased as it gets. There is no entrapment here. Entrapment is illegal in France. Durov was arrested as pa…
It's simple really. If French Laws were clear Durov would NOT have gone to France. QED.
Putin visiting Mongolia when there is an ICC arrest warrant for him is the same type of gamble.
If Durov is liable for crimes committed on his platform how far away are we from making phone companies and ISPs liable for crimes committed using their services? This is a very slippery slope. I don't see a problem with requiring a company to cooperate with a court order to release data. However if a company does not have this data (because it's encrypted) it should not be liable or be required to collect such data.
> If Durov is liable for crimes committed on his platform how far away are we from making phone companies and ISPs liable for crimes committed using their services? > This is a very slippery slope. I wonder what is hard to understand. Is there CP/violent content in Instagram? Nope. In Facebook? Nope. In YouTube? nope. Why? These companies are held responsible for the public content, published in clear, on their platf…
Yes there is... and a lot of it.
Facebook is especially bad at moderation.
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It's hilarious that what you impute to them is, essentially, that they don't have enough bullshit: useless management that hires endless hordes of bootcamp graduates for no reason (then lays them off when cheap money are over), no BS conferences without any substance, no hires of overpriced American "talent" when they have a tremendous pool of much much much more affordable and no less qualified people from CIS count…
> Also, let's not pretend that a chat app is some kind of rocket science that requires a company of gazillion engineers You cannot be serious. A service with a billion users and Telegram’s feature-richness and complexity cannot be maintained by a few people. If it’s true that there are no Telegram alums on LinkedIn, etc., that is deeply suspicious.
FWIW, I co-run a quanty multifamily investment office, and all of our employees (including partners) are expressly forbidden from listing their workplace on LinkedIn - which is the norm for family offices. We simply write Family Office and call it a day. In return, the firm will take care of you and your family for generations - extensive compensation but also other perks that you will never get in other jobs at any level.
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> According to the logic in France, since criminals use Windows, the CEO of Microsoft could also be blamed. That's a very bad take. The charges are because of Telegram repeatedly refusing or being too slow to take down illegal content (illegal in France, that is): child pornography, drugs ads, etc. Meta and X both remove illegal content when a notice from authorities is made, unlike Telegram which drags its feet. If…
> where Durov is a citizen. Why is this important? Do you think he would not have been arrested if he had not had a French passport? I would think that all that matters is that his crimes fall under French jurisdiction.