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Launch HN: Roame (YC S23) – Flight search engine for your credit card points

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Re: Launch HN: Roame (YC S23) – Flight search engine for your credit card points

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I think we're in agreement about what the rewards system is. I'm just saying that the side effect of getting points-users really invested in using points is a second layer of the scam. Obviously it is good for the credit card issuers if most users don't use their points, that's free money for them. > So anything that helps consumers make the most of these points, I think, should help reduce these companies' profits.…

I think banning the whole system isn't going to do anything but improve profits for them (maybe; they're doing the points systems because they think it'll convince customers to use them instead of a competitor). I think if you really want to fix the problem, you need more regulation so that prices are kept low. So, for instance, for credit card points, you need regulation forcing the CC companies to lower the fees th…

Oh yes, I agree that regulation would need to be more robust to future exploitation. But banning the points system isn't intrinsically going to increase their profits, or they wouldn't be running it in the first place.

Re: Launch HN: Roame (YC S23) – Flight search engine for your credit card points

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Products like this only support more wasteful air travel. Not a fan of min-maxing “credit card points” either. These points programs are funded largely due to various fees imposed on the merchants that are often forced to accept the credit cards. Note: the airline and “signature” cards often impose “premium” card fees in addition to the bevy of other fees (bank, network, transaction, …) associated with accepting debi…

Don't hate the player, hate the game. These stupid systems have been around forever and we need to exploit them more if you want to see them gone. You're already paying the fees, may as well get something out of it.

> These stupid systems have been around forever and we need to exploit them more if you want to see them gone.

Or, regulations are need to cap the fees. (cf. the EU)

Re: Launch HN: Roame (YC S23) – Flight search engine for your credit card points

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Yes, but it's a push and pull. Short term vs. long-term. If you devalue your points too much and make them too hard to redeem, then consumers won't want your miles. Also, if airlines get too greedy with their points/miles, US government will step in to try and regulate and airlines certainly do not want that. ( https://thepointsguy.com/news/congressional-investigation-ai... )

I grant your point that there's an (intangible) limit to how much airlines can devalue their private currencies before people stop using them and/or they get regulated out of existence. It's just that this might come a good bit later than you can maintain a reasonable business providing transparency into their ecosystems. I don't mean to be argumentative; this is a hard question. I only bring it up because you're pro…

No worries at all! I totally understand your point. We do have an answer for that based on our insights.

Re: Launch HN: Roame (YC S23) – Flight search engine for your credit card points

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I'm trying to actually find a bookable first class flight that isn't twice as long or more than two stops. (Say ZRH->ATL). All of the flights I have tried mysteriously disappear when I go to United. How many people have actually booked long haul flights that aren't absolutely terrible (stops/duration) for less than 100k? I am trying to find a single one that actually lets me book it for any date in September. If I ha…

Happy to help here. This is where we get into the complex world of points.

So with United, you're going to have a very hard time finding a first class flight for Zürich to Atlanta route in September. The only possibility is Lufthansa first class with a connection, but Lufthansa doesn't release their first class product to partner Star Alliance airlines (like United) until a few days before departure.

United does not have international first class anymore. SWISS almost never releases their First Class to partners.

You cannot book Air France first class with United because Air France is part of SkyTeam and United is part of Star Alliance.

You cannot book British Airways first class because BA is part of OneWorld. Not that you would want to, British Airways first class usually carries fees around $800-$1,000.

If you are married to just United, then the best tool is the United website award search. Roame shines when you need to search across multiple airline website at the same time.

Re: Launch HN: Roame (YC S23) – Flight search engine for your credit card points

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I'm trying to actually find a bookable first class flight that isn't twice as long or more than two stops. (Say ZRH->ATL). All of the flights I have tried mysteriously disappear when I go to United. How many people have actually booked long haul flights that aren't absolutely terrible (stops/duration) for less than 100k? I am trying to find a single one that actually lets me book it for any date in September. If I ha…

Happy to help here. This is where we get into the complex world of points. So with United, you're going to have a very hard time finding a first class flight for Zürich to Atlanta route in September. The only possibility is Lufthansa first class with a connection, but Lufthansa doesn't release their first class product to partner Star Alliance airlines (like United) until a few days before departure. United does not…

i would pay if the search showed me this type of info (and alternatives!)

Re: Launch HN: Roame (YC S23) – Flight search engine for your credit card points

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When I book on Amex Travel, they give me 25% of my points back, but I only use it for economy, is the primary value the bonus in excess of this? If so for business/premium or all flights?

So, if you're only booking economy flights, there could be a cash where the 25% points back makes. But we boil it down, Amex offers 1 cent per point and with the 25% back, you get 1.25 cents per point. 1.25 cents per point is decent for economy, but you can often find economy flights for 1.5 cents per point when you transfer to an airline partner (sometimes even higher). The real delta in value comes from business or…

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Re: Launch HN: Roame (YC S23) – Flight search engine for your credit card points

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I don't have readily available hard data, but flying first or business class is glamorous and an aspirational luxury product. I believe the reason why the average consumer wants to buy luxury goods like Hermes, Chanel, Gucci, etc., is the same reason they would want to experience first and business class.

I feel like we must have different perceptions of the "average consumer." Nobody I know has any aspirations of spending several thousand dollars on a handbag. Maybe it's different when you only talk to people who make at least six figures.

Actually, sadly enough, a big portion of the people who buy those bags (or similarly luxury items that have fine non-luxury equivalents) don’t have the money to.

Often, people buy these things because it makes them feel better, in that they feel they’ve earned the right to have something nice.

And that is one of the reasons that people tend to make decisions that don’t get them out of poverty. Because sometimes feeling spendy makes people happy, in the short term.

It’s why you see so many lower-middle class people driving around in a used/leased Lexus or BMW. It isn’t that a Ford or Mazda wouldn’t suffice.

Moreover, if you can get it for free, with points, that feel like they cost you nothing? Hell yeah.

(This is also why the Marlboro/Parliament catalogs which made people collect UPC codes for various items were so popular. Nobody needed that junk. But a duffel bag and a laptop for nothing but these random barcodes I’ve collected?! Hell yeah, I’m rich!)

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