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Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by rainworld »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #126
addicted wrote: post #41

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> Article claims that ATACMS have been highly effective, but all 5 missiles launched at Crimea recently were shot down. Which is not at all in contradiction. The ATACMS could have been highly successful but not any longer. In fact, this would be exactly what you would expect if the claims in the article are true. > As usual, everything is completely unclear in this stalemate war where both sides regularly claim overw…

That's the second time in this thread that I've seen this "Russia lost significant land to China". So far as I am aware, the border has not moved. So what are you referring to?

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Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by 1992spacemovie »

popcalc wrote: post #28
gessha wrote: post #18

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> 65 designated as small businesses I find it amusing Lockheed Martin cares about small business arms component suppliers

Most of those small businesses are owned by the sons and daughters of major family-owned contractors so they can get the designations. It's a farce.

The same kind of stuff happened during the Iraq war - makes the normal person feel like the regular Joe or Jane is getting a piece of the action. But in reality they just let you get a pass through %.

That movie War Dogs, while comical and inaccurate about a number of points, kinda was spot on about that one.

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by ceejayoz »

rainworld wrote: post #130
ceejayoz wrote: post #121

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You're kinda arguing about something else, though. Ukraine is hitting Russian air defenses with ATACMS, successfully and repeatedly. Corresponding attempts with Iskanders and Kinzhals to target the Patriots have largely failed. There seems to be a wide gap in capability between the two scenarios - in either the attacking missiles, the defending systems, or both. Ukraine doesn't have enough Patriots to defend everywhe…

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> They failed so badly that Germany had to send systems they can’t spare. Again. That’s why the US is now literally requisitioning new deliveries to send them to Ukraine.

"We want more! As many as you can spare!" is not typically what you say when the system sucks. There's a reason Patriot batteries are sought after, and countries are leery of loaning theirs.

> “If you foolishly believed Ukrainian numbers,” you forgot to add.

I mean, there's a drone video of an S-400 battery getting wiped off the map upthread. It doesn't seem to be all that unusual.

> the Chinese are taking notes

They would be wise to. Taiwan is as well; I'd imagine they're investing heavily in drone jet skis, Javelins, and other things the Ukranians have used well against Soviet-style weaponry.

Re: Russia Claims Breakthrough With ATACMS

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Post by rainworld »

ceejayoz wrote: post #133
rainworld wrote: post #130

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> They failed so badly that Germany had to send systems they can’t spare. Again. That’s why the US is now literally requisitioning new deliveries to send them to Ukraine. "We want more! As many as you can spare!" is not typically what you say when the system sucks. There's a reason Patriot batteries are sought after, and countries are leery of loaning theirs. > “If you foolishly believed Ukrainian numbers,” you forgo…

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Post by Arnt »

pydry wrote: post #129
Arnt wrote: post #107

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Weasel words. When were Russian aircraft last seen over Kharkiv? Has the Russian navy kept or lost the ability to blockade Ukrainian shipping? You can say it was just a few missile attacks, but did the Russians keep their ability to blockade or not? And so on.

Theyre glide bombing all along the line of contact.

Right. Basically shooting from within Russian territory. Doesn't that seem like oddly limited use of an air force?

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Post by pydry »

Arnt wrote: post #135
pydry wrote: post #129

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Theyre glide bombing all along the line of contact.

Right. Basically shooting from within Russian territory. Doesn't that seem like oddly limited use of an air force?

Not especially. The bombs are cheap, accurate, devastating and there are no defences against them.
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