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Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Most of the secrets and symbols are available in publications and online for a very long time.

There's a surprising amount that aren't. And even then: 1. Every Freemason knows what's on the Internet. Identifications have evolved. 2. The leaks lack... important contexts... about what they are.

Instead of relying on secrets that can be leaked, you should be using asymmetric cryptography.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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> It is an unnatural position of one or both hands in which the third and fourth digits are held tight together, as if almost fused, resembling syndactyly, and the second and fifth fingers are separated from the central ones.

My favorite example is in the Flammarion engraving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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If I absently place my hand on my chest, the resulting configuration looks just like the “unnatural” one in the painting.

Maybe because you're biased having read the article? I just looked at a picture of me waving at the camera taken 2 weeks ago, and my fingers are splayed apart with even spacing.

It's a pity we don't have renaissance paintings of subjects waving at the painter. While making a silly face too.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Ask what would the other do and do the opposite.

I wonder if you could do that with tristate logic somehow. maybe with more guards or other variables.

Solve for the general case.

Maybe you need num_guards-1 questions?

I doubt you could solve for 50 guards with 1 question.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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I wonder if you could do that with tristate logic somehow. maybe with more guards or other variables.

Solve for the general case. Maybe you need num_guards-1 questions? I doubt you could solve for 50 guards with 1 question.

If you're allowed to create a hypothetical question that translates a hierarchy of guards into Boolean logic, then it doesn't matter how many guards there are.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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> Another hand gesture you will frequently see in religious art is a figure (usually a Pope or bishop) pointing upwards with their index and middle finger. This is somewhat unnatural since you would generally point with your index finger alone. The use of two fingers represents the divine and human natures of Christ. At Disney employee training they taught me to point with index and middle finger (or my whole hand) t…

That is less about the gesture than it is about avoiding a different gesture. Many cultures do not appreciate pointing with a single finger. So Disney wants their people to use two.

I had thought it was more about pointing at a person with a finger was unwelcome, than pointing at a destination. I suppose in a crowded place such as an amusement park, you could inadvertently point at a person when giving directions?

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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"According to this hypothesis, the gesture was a secret sign used to recognize crypto-jews each other" "According to this hypothesis, the gesture was a secret sign used to recognize masonic followers each other" I have never heard this verbiage before... Did an AI write this? Or, can someone explain to me how "used to recognize followers each other" is grammatically sound?

It's not grammatical. Reading the article parts of it seemed poorly machine-translated to me (and the whole thing seemed mostly a sequence of straw-men).

And yet...

I recall when young, people were commenting on how most media came from centralized locations. That with newspapers, and then radio, and now TV, pronunciation was moving towards being less regionalized, diverse, yet also that the choice of words to use, the synonyms to use, was changing.

I also recall the same being said for a variety of things, such as spell checkers, and grammar checkers used in wordprocessors. Some grammar was "OK", but other forms were being pushed by (most especially) earlier wordprocessors, with grammatically valid text being marked with that wavy underline.

Now we have AI.

My point?

Kids are going to be raised in a world with AI. If it spends a decade or more spewing blather such as this, an entire slew of people will grow up, from 10 to 20 years old, 15 to 25 years old, learning to cobble together sentences in this sort of way.

Not only will they read it, but "helpful" assistants will change their normal prose, into this gibberish.

So I'm sorry mkl, it sort of will be grammatical. And no, I'm not happy about it.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.

N*gger jokes are jokes, but that doesn't mean it's not racist to make them and call black people n*gger to their face or online, just because you say you're just joking. And doing that online is just as racist as doing it in person.

And your pathetic excuses that it's only teenage boys doing that, and that you know for a fact that all teenage boys who do that are only pretending to be racist because it's impossible for a teenage boy to actually be racist, only reveals that you yourself actually did that when you were a teenage boy, and you still haven't grown up and matured mentally enough to admit that it was wrong.

Your ridiculous "boys will be boys" argument is absolute unmitigated bullshit, trying to justify your own misbehavior and racist beliefs you still haven't grown out of. You certainly sound exactly like a racist goat fucking teenaged boy. What other possible explanation is there for you carrying their water by making such disingenuous untrue arguments, and ignoring the counter arguments?

And you're arguing in bad faith and ignoring the evidence other people are showing you, like the photograph of the Proud Boys who attacked the US Capitol on January 6 and Roger Stone all flashing that White Supremacist symbol fully knowing what it means and intending it to be understood that way, when NONE if them are teenaged boys. Those fully grown men are violent White Supremacists, and Roger Stone is 71 years old, not a teenaged boy.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/

Roger Stone was convicted of seven felony charges, including witness tampering, lying to congress, and obstruction, in relation to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, and he's a trusted advisor to Donald Trump who had White House access and still hangs out with him at Mar-a-Lago. Not a teenaged boy for 52 years, but definitely a racist hanging out with a bunch of other racists. And here you are defending him.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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That's the magic of human beings. Once the joke spreads to the point where the people who are in on it are flashing the symbol for the lolz, it no longer matters how it started or if there is no historical basis for the connection between the symbol and certain beliefs. The association exists now, however ironically. Oh look, the guy who is racist is flashing the ok symbol. His buddy, who is in the same spaces online…

Heres the thing though, these are not self professed racists. These are people that left wing radicals are calling racist. That is a very different sitatuion than the symbol being an indicator of allegience to a "white power" movement. It more accurately indicates affiliation with irony poisoned youth who get off on making people look stupid online

Calling out racism is not the exclusive behavior of left wing radicals. Or are you admitting that no right wing people ever call out racism, so if you do then you must be a left wing radical?

You're the one jumping to unfounded conclusions about people, instead of taking what they tell you (or hand gesture) about themselves at face value, and your choice of who you logically contort and lie to defend, and who you attack as "radical" merely for calling out racism, paints an extremely sad and revealing picture of the kind of person you truly are.

When somebody tells you they're a racist, believe them. And your intellectually dishonest arguments are telling me just that, so I believe you.

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