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Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by Tabular-Iceberg »

rsynnott wrote: post #116
giraffe_lady wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that true? I wouldn't know what a minor basilica is per se but I definitely know what a cathedral is. I'm orthodox but I think nearly all lay orthodox christians can name their own bishop and the cathedral of his seat, the definition of cathedral being kind of implicit in that administrative awareness. Maybe it's different for catholics? I'll ask some, I am curious now.

I don't think most Catholics would know what a minor basilica was, and I'd expect most to misidentify the Sagrada Familia as a cathedral. And that's before you even get into pro-cathedrals and things... 70% of Ireland is nominally Catholic, and look at the confusion over this, say: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2023/06/22/dublin-... Like, the church had to come out and clarify that Dublin didn't have a ca…

What on earth is going on in that picture of St Andrew’s Church?

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by epolanski »

bombcar wrote: post #34
epolanski wrote: post #11

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A cathedral is the official seat of the local the bishop and the Sagrada Familia isn't one. A basilica on the other hand is an honorific title granted to some churches by the pope for historical/religious reasons. An interesting note: Saint Peter in Rome, the most famous church in the christian world is not a cathedral itself as it is not where the pope has its seat, that's actually another basilica in Rome, Saint Jo…

The other interesting thing about that is the cathedral seat of the Pope is outside the Vatican City - so it is in his religious territory as Bishop of Rome but not in his secular state.

I don't think this is correct, the territory belongs to the vatican state as many other buildings around Rome they are not formally located in Italy.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by hollerith »

ebiester wrote: post #124
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

We underestimate the pressure the world has been under in the last century. In 1950, we had about 2.5 billion people. Today, we have 8 billion. We had to find accommodations for 5.5 billion people who all expected to have a greater standard of living with electricity and living space; something had to give. We had to be more parsimonious with the materials at our disposal.

"We had to find accommodations for 5.5 billion people" is irrelevant to a discussion of one city in Spain that did not grow quickly: Spain has its own architects that haven't been influenced much by architects in countries like Nigeria and India where the population grew very fast.

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Post by vidarh »

bigbillheck wrote: post #108
eadmund wrote: post #13

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> The article mistakenly refers to Sagrada Familia as the cathedral of Barcelona. It's not. It's a minor basilica, not a cathedral. There may not be enough institutional knowledge at CNN about Catholicism that the editors would know that there is a difference between a basilica and a cathedral. This is the sort of thing that the folks at GetReligion.com were trying to address: not advocating any particular religion,…

That's one possibility, another one might be that it's easy to write "is buried" when you meant "was buried" and can be hard to catch the error.

Well, it's also the case that plenty of Christians don't believe in the resurrection. E.g from the UK:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/10/quarter-christia...

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by dbrgn »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

> It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood.

Hold on, we're talking about Barcelona... The phallus tower (Torre Glòries) certainly has a certain aesthetic ;)

A bit on the more serious side: If you ask city planners, they will probably be able to list thousands of examples of beautiful neighbourhoods in modern cities. They do exist, but I agree that a lot of modern buildings appear quite "soulless" and exchangeable.

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Post by areyousure »

prmoustache wrote: post #93
Cheer2171 wrote: post #8

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Organizational hierarchy of the Catholic Church: a building is a cathedral if and only if it is the seat of a bishop, no matter how grand or modest the building is. There can not be more than one cathedral in a diocese. But colloquially, Sagrada Familia is what most people would consider a cathedral.

Also a basilica can be a cathedral and vice versa. Saint-Denis in Paris is both a basilica and cathedral.

The page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_Saint-Denis states

> Although known as the "Basilica of St Denis", the cathedral has not been granted the title of Minor Basilica by the Vatican.

Re: Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia will be completed in 2026

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Post by audunw »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

What happened is that a vast quantity of people moved into and around the cities. We also have more strict building codes that take into account light, air quality, longevity, energy effiency etc.

You’re looking at an old city built for a relatively small elite over many hundreds of years, and you’re surprised why cities built for many millions of people over a few decade look a bit basic in comparison?

I came across some pre-WW2 photographs of a European city I know, of the more poor districts that don’t often get photographed. You think they looked nice? A modern apartment building looks much better than those cheap wooden shacks and lasts 100 times longer.

I think there’s hope in the long term. My grandmas apartment building was built quickly and cheaply and looked like trash when I was a child. It has since been renovated with a nicer brick facade. Could be better, but it’s a step in the right direction.

Give it a hundred years and compounding refurbishment and survivorship bias will make most cities look great.

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Post by BurningFrog »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

Buildings used to be made by rich people or institutions who built what they wanted.

Now it's controlled by bureaucrats and regulations.

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Post by kiney »

alistairSH wrote: post #110
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #48

Looking at the surrounding building of the Sagrada, just makes me wonder again, what the hell happened to modern architecture. Modern architecture has destroyed our cities. It's hard to find a building build after WO2 that's actually pretty, let alone an entire neighborhood. Nothing compared the historic cities of Europe. In a time when it's cheaper then ever to build, they've not been able to build anything even clo…

Be careful to avoid survivorship bias here. Only the "best" buildings from Medieval and Renaissance times (or even later into the 1800s) are still around. Many of the buildings we constructed in the second half of the 20th century will be gone in 100 years or so. Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I know there was a lot of criticism when the Louvre built the pyramid, but I quite like the contrast of traditio…

Nope, visit ANY old german village that wasn't bombed during ww2. Most of the old houses still stand and every single one is prettier than what is being build today.
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