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The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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> allegorically generated stuff mmm, I want some of that allegorical stuff, I like symbols

Damn autocorrect. I’ll fix it

Why correct it? It’s one of the few lovely things about modern tech - the occasionally poetic accidental turn of phrase that surprises and confounds!

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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This is an old problem that LLM-generated content only accelerated. LMGTFY died when Google tripled down on growing their ad revenue and adtech dominance and SEO ran rampant throughout search results. It is fairly difficult to get non-biased factual information from a naked query these days, which is why I try to search for info on Reddit first. This isn't a panacea either given that it's been chock-ful of astroturfe…

Finally switched to Kagi when I realized Google could not find a particular ThreeJS class doc page for me no matter what keywords I used, I had to paste the very URL of the page for it to appear at the top of my search results. Kagi got it first try using the class name. Paid search is the way, ad incentives are at odds with search. Made Kagi my address bar default search and it's been great.

I had the same experience with a slightly esoteric Django class back when Kagi first appeared. I subscribed straight away and every now and then when I end up on any other search engine I'm remind what a good decision that was.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

A work-friend and I were musing in our chat yesterday about a boilerplate support email from Microsoft he received after he filed a ticket, that was simply chock full of spelling and grammar errors, alongside numerous typos (newlines where inappropriate, spaces before punctuation, that sort of thing) and as a joke he fired up his AI (honestly I have no idea what he uses, he gets it from a work account as part of some software so don't ask me) and asked it to write the email with the same basic information and with a given style, and it drafted up an email that was remarkably similar, but with absolutely perfect english.

On that front, at least, I welcome AI to be integrated in businesses. Business communication is fucking abysmal most of the time. It genuinely shocks me how poorly so many people who's job is communication do at communicating, the thing they're supposed to have as their trade.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

We should start donating more heavily to archive.org - the way back machine may soon be the only way to find useful data on the internet, by cutting out anything published after ~2020 or so.

Interesting idea. Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Or maybe it would be a combination of pre-AI content plus some extra barriers to entry for newer content that would increase the likelihood the content was generated by real people?

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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People used to email each links to cool websites! And there were services like Hotline! And bookmarks. You bookmarked everything!

Oh I remember the Internet in the mid to late 90s. I just don't remember how anything worked technologically in the 80s.

There were free BBS's, AOL and Compuserve where you would dial in with your modem. I kind of miss those days to be honest.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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This is an old problem that LLM-generated content only accelerated. LMGTFY died when Google tripled down on growing their ad revenue and adtech dominance and SEO ran rampant throughout search results. It is fairly difficult to get non-biased factual information from a naked query these days, which is why I try to search for info on Reddit first. This isn't a panacea either given that it's been chock-ful of astroturfe…

Finally switched to Kagi when I realized Google could not find a particular ThreeJS class doc page for me no matter what keywords I used, I had to paste the very URL of the page for it to appear at the top of my search results. Kagi got it first try using the class name. Paid search is the way, ad incentives are at odds with search. Made Kagi my address bar default search and it's been great.

Agreed: Kagi is straight from the future and worth every cent.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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I feel like Google's SEO and advertisement game have cornered the entire internet into being mostly a useless gamification and parody of content.

Automation can now shove even further content to search engines and keep lowering the quality further.

I think that websites as we knew and searched for them started dying a long time ago, but AI will unavoidably make this whole matter worse.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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To me the most interesting comment I heard on the "practical ai" podcast[1]. One of the guests pointed out that 2021 might be the last year we can have AI train off of, because the internet is about to explode in AI generated content which means it will just become a self-reinforcing loop.

[1]: https://changelog.com/practicalai

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Finally switched to Kagi when I realized Google could not find a particular ThreeJS class doc page for me no matter what keywords I used, I had to paste the very URL of the page for it to appear at the top of my search results. Kagi got it first try using the class name. Paid search is the way, ad incentives are at odds with search. Made Kagi my address bar default search and it's been great.

Maybe I'll try Kagi. I've had a hell of a time googling docs lately. I've been experimenting with different libraries on somde side projects and it feels like I'm always scrolling past stuff like GeeksForGeeks and various sites that look like some sort of AI generated stuff just to get to official docs or github links.

It's great. I find Google better when I'm actually looking for products, though that's partly it's not as good as localizing results. The nice thing is you can just whack g! in front of the query and it'll bump you over to Google. It's fast, nice, no ads.

Lack of history is a pro or a con or both depending on personal preference.

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