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Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
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#132Is there a way to know when booking flights what whether this plane is going to be used?
It is usually listed somewhere during the reservation process, but they reserve the right to switch aircraft type, and frequently do.
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#133This might be the one.
Doesn't matter what turns out to be root cause here. The Max might finally get the critical mass of brand damage here. Especially if Daily Mail et al are reporting it in the headlines.
Boeing might be properly held accountable* for their previous mistake, now. IMO the previous outcome did not seem fair to 'consumers' / victims, and did not seem to be an appropriate deterrent / incentive for future QC/QA improvements.
*The company - I don't hold hope for holding execs accountable.
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#134Do you think there will be any accountability from Boeing executives? Boeing hasn't had a lot of good press in the last few years, will leadership ever be held accountable? There was a time when Boeing was considered a very trustworthy and reliable company, is this the result of a decline in an engineering-focused culture? Edit: Many of the comments in this thread mention that they avoid the 737 MAX whenever possible…
Name the Board.
Name the Officers.
Message their socials publicly.
Don’t dox them, hold them accountable in a public facing manner
Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
#135Do you think there will be any accountability from Boeing executives? Boeing hasn't had a lot of good press in the last few years, will leadership ever be held accountable? There was a time when Boeing was considered a very trustworthy and reliable company, is this the result of a decline in an engineering-focused culture? Edit: Many of the comments in this thread mention that they avoid the 737 MAX whenever possible…
Take that with a grain of salt but I have seen several people over the years claim this is due to MDD pulling a NeXT (getting acquired then taking over culturally).
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> This is probably "just" a maintenance issue. > The Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023, according to FAA record posted online. How does the maintenance crew fuck up a plane this badly in the span of two months?
Well, this is my field so let's calm down for a sec and dispense with the hyperbole.
The plane itself is not "fucked"; my understanding is the aircraft landed safely and nobody was injured. The door/window that departed the aircraft is a serious incident that will be investigated. There will be a report produced that identifies the root cause(s).
>How does the maintenance crew fuck up a plane this badly in the span of two months?
Are you under the impression that aircraft maintenance works like car maintenance, where you just change the oil every so often?
Lots and lots of things get removed and replaced on a regular basis. It's entirely possible somebody just didn't install the door properly after removing it for a routine inspection. It's a big deal and a serious incident but these things do happen from time to time, even at name-brand airlines.
I'm all for lambasting Boeing but let's stop frothing at the mouth until we see the report.
Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
#137Do you think there will be any accountability from Boeing executives? Boeing hasn't had a lot of good press in the last few years, will leadership ever be held accountable? There was a time when Boeing was considered a very trustworthy and reliable company, is this the result of a decline in an engineering-focused culture? Edit: Many of the comments in this thread mention that they avoid the 737 MAX whenever possible…
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I’m suspicious of this comment.
Especially since this article was directly above this one on HN for awhile today:
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boein...
Re: Alaska Airlines 737 Max makes emergency landing due to depressurization
#138It's Alaska Airlines. I wouldn't read too much into Boeing's reliability from this, given Alaska's previous maintenance record...
It's a two-month old plane. That's not much time to fall into disrepair.
If an inspection done after going into service involved removing/replacing that door, it could have been done incorrectly.
There really is no way to know what happened without more research, and I’m confident the priority will be to understand if this was a one off or widespread issue.
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> the Boeing Dreamliner for example is shockingly uncomfortable to fly in Struggling with this comment, I do a lot of long-haul and the dreamliner is a clear differentiator on arrival due to cabin pressure and humidity. Boeing seems to have made a lot of mistakes over the years but I seek out a dreamliner for anything over 8 hours. Perhaps you are the victim of the airline more than the aircraft itself?
The 787 is nice, but the competing A350 and A380 both have similar pressurisation and I haven't noticed humidity issues on either. I think the 787 was a significant step up on the 777, but compared to modern alternatives I think it probably is slightly less comfortable.
Quick Google search suggests that humidity is better on A350 (20%) compared to B787(15%)
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I chose a flight using an Airbus 350 over a 787. I remember reading an article about how some Boeing employees are surprised the 787 planes don’t have more issues because their warnings about quality issues are ignored.
Besides not being a deathtrap, the A350 also has wider seats in economy due to a wider fuselage.
It can also survive a colision with another aircraft while landing, and people can survive inside it for 20 minutes while it is literally on fire. That’s pretty compelling.