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Plane got to top spot in project management on GitHub in less than a year

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Re: Plane got to top spot in project management on GitHub in less than a year

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Post by SadCordDrone »

alephnan wrote: post #91
SadCordDrone wrote: post #78

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> All the non trivial contributors are exclusively from a country known for Infosys, clickfarms for social media engagement, gamifying the interview/recruitment funnel (see Grace Hopper convention) I see your other points are valid but this was uncalled for. The person who commented the telemetry issue (Kailash Nadh) is also from India and CTO of largest stock broker, he is also known for encouraging open source soft…

> All the dysfunctions you mention are symptoms of large population - of which I too have been a victim of. But I have seen some very good engineers in this country too. Me too. One of the best Indian candidates I interviewed was the one who had the worst college grades... probably because they focused on internalizing the material and actual problem solving. The other candidates all studied Leetcode, and was dumbfou…

I am sure college grads (from decent Indian colleg) can solve this one.

The problem is they have done leetcode style of puzzles all their college life. - mostly control flow, numbers and DP / greedy / graph patterns.

Which is such narrow area of computer science.

They don't understand basics of - operating systems (eg: VMs), compilers (eg: compiled vs source code, optimization), languages (eg: type systems), networks (eg: NAT, firewall), software engineering (eg: writing modular code, version control).

All these things are as Computer Science as leetcode algorithms. These are in the syllabus, at least in a primitive form. But these kids are only tested on leetcode puzzles.

Ask anything deep on these and watch these DSA-generation kids struggle.

Re: Plane got to top spot in project management on GitHub in less than a year

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Post by pjmlp »

OJFord wrote: post #117
pjmlp wrote: post #72

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Flexibility of custom workflows, integrations with third party systems, being able to track down tickets across the whole lifetime (documentation, source control, bug reports, who did what, reporting). Yes, it is a huge beast, because big corps have huge complex workflows.

And that's what everyone else doesn't want, what makes it such a PITA to use for those that don't need it. Essentially I think anyone looking for or interested in an 'alternative to Jira' exactly doesn't want that mess to follow them away from it.

Most of those that don't want it, are using Trello or something like that.

Re: Plane got to top spot in project management on GitHub in less than a year

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Post by OJFord »

pjmlp wrote: post #133
OJFord wrote: post #117

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And that's what everyone else doesn't want, what makes it such a PITA to use for those that don't need it. Essentially I think anyone looking for or interested in an 'alternative to Jira' exactly doesn't want that mess to follow them away from it.

Most of those that don't want it, are using Trello or something like that.

And here is some other thing like that.

Re: Plane got to top spot in project management on GitHub in less than a year

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Post by Alex3917 »

zoobab wrote: post #115
Alex3917 wrote: post #110

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I haven't look at this particular project, but having to type the same information into multiple env files is unfortunately pretty unavoidable. Making a Docker / Django project instantiable via template and then runnable locally and deployable in production unfortunately involves 5+ different variable templating systems, which each require their variables to be declared in different files and formats.

"instantiable via template" A simple bash template via envsubst?

I meant a Django template, e.g.: https://www.valentinog.com/blog/django-project/

Re: Plane got to top spot in project management on GitHub in less than a year

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Post by pjmlp »

OJFord wrote: post #134
pjmlp wrote: post #133

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Most of those that don't want it, are using Trello or something like that.

And here is some other thing like that.

Yeah, but those aren't Jira alternatives to start with, as they don't compete in the same target market.

Re: Plane got to top spot in project management on GitHub in less than a year

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Post by pseudalopex »

mrklol wrote: post #87
dpoljak wrote: post #63

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Its amazing to me that it has become such a default, similarly to Slack before it. At least some Slack communities tried and worked on getting the channels indexed so that it shows up during web searches, now with discord I need an account just to view the content... A hard pass from me, especially when an answer to a simple question requires me to drink from their firehose of a search...

I always go with discord in newer projects. Why? I feel like most people have discord nowadays and it just works (TM). I rarely have a case where a person said that they can’t join because they don’t have discord or don’t want to create an account because other reasons. Beside that, money is also a big factor. Slack for example is getting more expensive for communities.

Maybe Discord just works for chat. Not for support.

They claim 150 million monthly active users. Not close to most people.

How would you expect someone to tell you they don't want to create an account? Most maintainers would consider opening an issue inappropriate I think.

Re: Plane got to top spot in project management on GitHub in less than a year

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Post by OJFord »

pjmlp wrote: post #136
OJFord wrote: post #134

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And here is some other thing like that.

Yeah, but those aren't Jira alternatives to start with, as they don't compete in the same target market.

But plenty of people/companies in the target market of the simpler tools end up using Jira anyway.

This is like objecting to a fairly lightweight orchestration tool calling itself a 'Kubernetes alternative' - it is an alternative, it won't necessarily fulfil all needs of everyone using Kubernetes (resp. Jira), but it will for a lot of them, a lot of them don't need everything it's offering anyway. Of course they're going to use one of the most well-known players to paint the picture of what sort of thing the product is.

Re: Plane got to top spot in project management on GitHub in less than a year

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Post by no_wizard »

blyatperkele wrote: post #125
notlive wrote: post #104

The Plane codebase is a good read. If you want to see a well put together Django + Nextjs project you should check it out. There has been a lot of talk recently about what open source means. To completely side-step that discussion, I have plane starred on github because I learned a lot looking at their code without ever having run it or ever using the product.

Although the structure is fairly good, but I'm always puzzled why testing is so neglected, especially with projects that are popular and - hypothetically - production-ready...

I suppose this mimics real software I've worked on in the past (though thankfully no longer). It seems most of the lessons of software development have fallen on deaf ears despite decades of preaching best practices to each other.

Re: Plane got to top spot in project management on GitHub in less than a year

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Post by tylerrobinson »

lijok wrote: post #38
CSDude wrote: post #5

I'm all for open source task trackers, but the UI in most parts is a rip off of Linear.

Not copying existing ideas is the strangest thing to me. What is the point of spending months trying to come up with an original design, instead of just taking a proven design and improving on it / customizing it to your companies virtues? In the fintech space I've seen so many startups hire designers to come up with original new designs and user experiences, only to arrive at the exact same design as existing fintec…

Amen. This is somewhat reductive, but you need to identify the problem your users are trying to solve, look for similar examples in the wild, and commit to one you like. Avoid reinventing the wheel to satisfy your ego unless the product truly requires it.
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