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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by cedws »

preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

GCP has people you can talk to, you just need to bring enough money to the table for them to bother. In other words, the fat cats get support, the rest can suck it.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Alupis »

thezilch wrote: post #123
gustavus wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And neither GCP nor AWS is getting shut down. Even using the numbers you give, the answer is that the risk of either shutting down is zero for all intents and purposes. There's no reason to split hairs over which of two infinitesimally unlikely events is more likely. That's what I thought for a long time about google domains. Yet here we are.

Google Domains made Google the equivalent of $0 and would teach them nothing about operating their core businesses.

And it's not being shut down, it's being sold off. There's quite a difference.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by marcinzm »

s-xyz wrote: post #14

I share the same experience and opinion. I cannot imagine what a significant argument would be to use AWS instead of GCP that outweighs the benefits and the seemingly integrated services. GCP has so far covered 99% of my use cases, and I can testify that I have a lot of advanced cases linked to data management, information security, networking and more. I am open and do not judge AWS, and perhaps its also a matter of…

GCP is overall a good product. Support is so atrocious and they break things often enough that it more than offsets that in any larger scale use case in my experience.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by omginternets »

crazygringo wrote: post #115
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…

>All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled.

Dunno, they've still taken the time to implement all this crazy auto-management software for their free tier, so I'm fairly confident they'll deploy it from time to time on their paid stuff.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Alupis »

crazygringo wrote: post #124
gustavus wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And neither GCP nor AWS is getting shut down. Even using the numbers you give, the answer is that the risk of either shutting down is zero for all intents and purposes. There's no reason to split hairs over which of two infinitesimally unlikely events is more likely. That's what I thought for a long time about google domains. Yet here we are.

Ugh. So it was first reported that Google Domains was being abandoned, but Google Cloud Domains was still just fine. I thought -- exactly, you can count on their paid enterprise cloud services. I looked it up now to reconfirm, and it turns out a few days later it came out that Google Cloud Domains was also being shut down? [1] WTF. OK, well that's idiotic. Maybe I have to take back my parent comment then. That's one…

Google Domains is not being shut down - it's being sold to Squarespace. I would assume Cloud Domains either went with that package, or is being removed as part of the deal.

Selling to another company != shut down in my book. Although I'm already in the process of moving domains to another registrar...

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by zinekeller »

thezilch wrote: post #123
gustavus wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And neither GCP nor AWS is getting shut down. Even using the numbers you give, the answer is that the risk of either shutting down is zero for all intents and purposes. There's no reason to split hairs over which of two infinitesimally unlikely events is more likely. That's what I thought for a long time about google domains. Yet here we are.

Google Domains made Google the equivalent of $0 and would teach them nothing about operating their core businesses.

As pointed out multiple times previously, Amazon and Microsoft provide domain registration services even if it's a solved problem. It's not that Google needs to be the best domain registration platform, but providing a normal domain registration service is miles better than not providing one at all (for example simplified billing and administration for smaller businesses, and automation for bigger ones).

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by slotrans »

crazygringo wrote: post #115
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

I think this is an unfortunate conflation of free Gmail/etc. consumer products with GCP. All of what you say is pretty accurate for free-tier Gmail/etc. No customer service, risk of an account getting blocked and nothing you can do, new apps not finding success and getting cancelled. But none of it is the case with GCP. Customer service is great and you can reach real people easily, paid accounts aren't getting shut…

The customer service is awful and it is very difficult to reach real people. Even when spending a million dollars a month.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by zinekeller »

Alupis wrote: post #132
thezilch wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Domains made Google the equivalent of $0 and would teach them nothing about operating their core businesses.

And it's not being shut down, it's being sold off. There's quite a difference.

Google, and all other domain registrars, are obliged by ICANN to allow domain migrations in case that the original registrar is shutting down. Getting money from Squarespace is just icing on the cake.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by nathants »

i’ve built bespoke automation at the api level for azure, gcp, and aws.

using azure makes you want to watch the world burn.

using gcp makes you want to give alcoholism a fair try.

using aws makes you wonder why we can’t have nice things.

ime those who prefer gcp tend to use a web interface. those who don’t have a preference tend to use iac. you want to work directly with the api, for innumerable reasons.

aws is the canonical example of use boring tech. nobody cares which database you use, not even a little. if you’re talking about your stack choices, your product likely has negative value.

of all the projects i pull into my rss reader, github commits on the aws-go-sdk-v1 are the most consistent and unsurprising. ive been following aws api and service changes since boto1.

there’s a lot i wish was different about aws, but nothing that’s urgent.

someday we’ll get better providers. it won’t be azure or gcp. it will be a new player.

by 2030 i’d expect to see someone disrupting aws by offering api compatible clones of the core services without egress fees. r53, dynamo, ec2, ec2 spot, lambda, s3, apigateway, sqs.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by zinekeller »

Alupis wrote: post #135
crazygringo wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh. So it was first reported that Google Domains was being abandoned, but Google Cloud Domains was still just fine. I thought -- exactly, you can count on their paid enterprise cloud services. I looked it up now to reconfirm, and it turns out a few days later it came out that Google Cloud Domains was also being shut down? [1] WTF. OK, well that's idiotic. Maybe I have to take back my parent comment then. That's one…

Google Domains is not being shut down - it's being sold to Squarespace. I would assume Cloud Domains either went with that package, or is being removed as part of the deal. Selling to another company != shut down in my book. Although I'm already in the process of moving domains to another registrar...

Google, and all other domain registrars, are obliged by ICANN to allow domain migrations in case that the original registrar is shutting down. Getting money from Squarespace is just icing on the cake. You're sounding that this is a decision that Google is doing voluntarily, but it's literally not an option here (for once).

Also if they're still keeping the original Google system then it's believable that they are indeed just selling Google Domains, but the fact that all domains must be migrated into Squarespace's system tells a different story.

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