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Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by rubidium »

jahewson wrote: post #88
llbeansandrice wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trains. Buses. Bikeable areas. How did we land in a spot where the “only serious contender” to solve this problem is VC funded companies using the roads and people’s lives as beta testing grounds? Absolutely absurd.

I get where you’re coming from but SF is full of busses, it has trams, light rail, (even some cable cars!) and a subway. A couple of years ago it was stuffed full of electric scooters. Bikeable areas are constrained by the hills or practically impossible due to the road layout (bus lanes, tram tracks, crazy Victorian street plan) pedestrians who go literally anywhere they want at any time, questionable grid system th…

Coming from a major metro area in the Midwest, on my recent visit to San Fran you could get to MANY more useful things in a 15 min walk. Because of its density, I don’t think San Fran has a real transportation problem to speak of (for those who live in the city proper). For those who live outside of it, sure. But that’s just par for the course rush hour issues at any major metro.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by JackMorgan »

8bitsrule wrote: post #87

Good idea. Let's extend that to all gasoline vehicles. They can only be driven (or robo-ride) every other day. Cuts congestion and gas consumption. Makes parking easier. Every driver can still get to all of things they have to. They just have to learn to schedule things better. Car pool, transit, whatever. Most cars aren't driven many hours a day anyways.

Pretty common in Italy and Costa Rica. My family car license plate was allowed on Mondays and Thursdays in downtown San Jose. Of course there's a great bus network and tons of taxis for the other days.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by treis »

botanical wrote: post #15

I've said it before when a self-driving Uber killed a woman, and I'll say it again: I don't understand why authorities allow self-driving cars to beta test out in public. I thought Waymo was the best with something like millions of hours on the road but when they started accepting passengers, it failed to proceed past a traffic cone: https://youtu.be/zdKCQKBvH-A?t=742 I wouldn't trust any of the others like Tesla and…

>I don't understand why authorities allow self-driving cars to beta test out in public

Because self driving cars will save lives in the long run and are potentially the largest QOL improvement of my lifetime.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by agnosticmantis »

joshuahedlund wrote: post #2

> The latest Cruise incident occurred Thursday night when a Cruise robotaxi and an emergency vehicle crashed and left a passenger injured. Cruise said in a social media post that one of its self-driving Chevy Bolt EVs entered an intersection on a green traffic light at Polk and Turk streets when it was struck by an emergency vehicle that appeared to be en route to an emergency scene. Noticing and responding to emerge…

Maybe we should try other signaling methods (radio?) for emergency vehicles that’s easier to process for computers. That may be end up being useful for human drivers too ultimately.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by petre »

renewiltord wrote: post #109
petre wrote: post #99

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What are you talking about?

You have untrained people using multi-ton motorized equipment on streets where people cross. And you don't even ask them if they'd be okay with this experiment. At least a bit unethical.

They have to take a test after training. Also a two year probation with zero tolerance on drunk driving and other offenses.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by dominojab »

s0rce wrote: post #32
jhugo wrote: post #17

> “Over one hundred people lose their lives every day on American roadways, and countless others are badly injured, Cruise said in a statement sent via email. I’m so tired of this angle being accepted at face value. Current driverless cars are not even capable of safely navigating situations that below-average human drivers rarely struggle with, like avoiding driving into clearly marked wet concrete, or not crashing…

Here is a human that drove into wet concrete: https://www.wlwt.com/article/car-drives-through-wet-concrete... I'm sure its not that uncommon just not publicized, people are terrible drivers.

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Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by SanderNL »

gizmondo wrote: post #124
yazaddaruvala wrote: post #48

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The myth about good vs bad drivers has long been out to bed. All drivers are better than average drivers. The problem for all humans is alcohol, sleep deprivation, stress, phones, coffee, makeup, shaving, food, etc. Everyone, including you, has read at least one text while driving. Sleep deprived actors by definition cannot correctly judge their ability to be sleep deprived. None of us are immune to these realities.…

> Everyone, including you, has read at least one text while driving. No.

Yes. You are just in denial.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by Dalewyn »

justapassenger wrote: post #122
jhugo wrote: post #17

> “Over one hundred people lose their lives every day on American roadways, and countless others are badly injured, Cruise said in a statement sent via email. I’m so tired of this angle being accepted at face value. Current driverless cars are not even capable of safely navigating situations that below-average human drivers rarely struggle with, like avoiding driving into clearly marked wet concrete, or not crashing…

What boils my blood each time I hear self driving company talk about metrics, is total ignorance to decades of safety engineering and processes developed there. They act like reasoning about safety of automated systems is brand new area that they need to develop and disrupt. Sure, heavy reliance on AI makes some traditional forms of validation more tricky, but BS metrics and test in prod is so reckless, that will end…

>BS metrics and test in prod is so reckless,

When you put it that way, it strongly mirrors what is seen in computer programming and I am inclined to wonder how much of it is simply the computer programming culture leaking into the automotive world.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by jncfhnb »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #48
7e wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do terrible drivers drive as much as Cruise does? Terrible drivers at least eventually get better through practice. Having 100 poorer than average driving autonomous cars in the streets driving around 24x7 is a net worsening. Autonomous cars improve more slowly than humans do.

The myth about good vs bad drivers has long been out to bed. All drivers are better than average drivers. The problem for all humans is alcohol, sleep deprivation, stress, phones, coffee, makeup, shaving, food, etc. Everyone, including you, has read at least one text while driving. Sleep deprived actors by definition cannot correctly judge their ability to be sleep deprived. None of us are immune to these realities.…

Yeah, doubt. The idiots weaving through highway traffic at 20mph faster than the flow of traffic begs to differ.

Re: Cruise told by CA DMV to reduce robotaxi fleet 50% following crash

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Post by blibble »

jfoster wrote: post #66
joshuahedlund wrote: post #2

> The latest Cruise incident occurred Thursday night when a Cruise robotaxi and an emergency vehicle crashed and left a passenger injured. Cruise said in a social media post that one of its self-driving Chevy Bolt EVs entered an intersection on a green traffic light at Polk and Turk streets when it was struck by an emergency vehicle that appeared to be en route to an emergency scene. Noticing and responding to emerge…

Cone blocking isn't hacking. It's simple criminal behavior.

which law is being broken?
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