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The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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How would you propose convincing people to live four inches from their neighbor? This seems like somewhat of a challenging sale. I cannot speak for everyone, but I have lived this way and it is not good.

Put the well paying jobs in the city? Money tends to be pretty persuasive

That's how you get astronomically high housing prices

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Part of the problem is you can’t just convert an area to a pedestrian area as people still need to be able to get there. You need to construct low cost parking garages around the area so people can still get there.

Comments like this make me appreciate living in a city that has a pretty comprehensive public transport coverage, and where bicycling is at least tolerable. The city you describe seems to be only usable by car.

Many cities in the US are only usable by car. You can’t just leap from a car-based city to a non-car-based city, you have to provide transitionary options (also even car-optional cities still have parking garages).

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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If you want to make pedestrians safer, you can do that without having to make driving miserable, by building elevated pedestrian walkways.

Elevated pedestrian walkways are miserable for people walking. You seem pretty deeply carbrained.

How so? I've used them before and didn't see a problem with them.

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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How would you propose convincing people to live four inches from their neighbor? This seems like somewhat of a challenging sale. I cannot speak for everyone, but I have lived this way and it is not good.

Don't build with shitty materials. There are ways to sound proof apartments to the degree that it's a non issue. Adding a facility in the vicinity for parties solves the issue of neighbours wanting to blast loud music (unless they are really obnoxious neighbours but in that case building management can take care of that).

I don’t build a lot of apartment buildings but I absolutely support this. On the other hand, imagine if I used these techniques in my single family home a quarter mile from my nearest neighbor. Paradise. Dead silence.

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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I live car-free in NYC. A large appeal of NYC to me was not having to park. I don't ~mind~ driving, but I absolutely hated having to deal with finding parking when I lived in other cities. Parking generally makes me feel stressed (competition for free spots), or makes me pay (using something like SpotHero makes it easy to find a spot, but costs me). It's not even just major cities either- I'm frequently in a college…

One of the differences with NYC (and maybe specifically Manhattan--though it doesn't map perfectly) is that there's a cultural expectation that residents, even those with money, may not own cars. It can still be a hassle for weekend trips but it's still something of a difference in mindset even for people in other large cities where carless living, at least within the confines of the city, is fairly doable.

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Comments like this make me appreciate living in a city that has a pretty comprehensive public transport coverage, and where bicycling is at least tolerable. The city you describe seems to be only usable by car.

Many cities in the US are only usable by car. You can’t just leap from a car-based city to a non-car-based city, you have to provide transitionary options (also even car-optional cities still have parking garages).

Absolutely, and while the transition is probably desirable, it'll take a long time. And yes, of course there's in fact still too much car traffic around here, and parking garages exist in great numbers.

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Just out of curiosity - how big of an issue is parking in rural US?

It's an issue when it takes 10m to walk to the Walmart entrance from the parking lot. (This is intended as humor)

Sadly, sometimes in the US it takes just as long to walk within the parking lot as the equivalent total travel time would have been in a walkable European or Asian city

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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>You could imagine a world in which streets were pedestrianized and where we planted trees and gardens and in what is currently space reserved for parking, and closed streets, outside schools, so kids can have places to play. I would love to see a LOT more of this in urban centers. I live in a college town that is about the same size as Iowa City. Iowa City has taken the step of closing off their downtown and making…

Part of the problem is you can’t just convert an area to a pedestrian area as people still need to be able to get there. You need to construct low cost parking garages around the area so people can still get there.

I never understood why you can’t do this to say 10% of city roads. That way there’s still car accessibility and you can continue to grow public transit, as well. Personally I think the majority of roads should be reclaimed to pedestrians and tracked rail cars. The only exception would be street-local deliveries/residents can enter and drive at say 3mph yielding to all pedestrians.

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

#139

I know this is US-by-default site but does parking really shape everything around us (most of the humanity)? What about South America or Africa? From my experience in living in Asia, USA and Europe, it might only be applicable to USA.

American cities seem to hover around 20-30% land area dedicated to parking in the city cores, according to ParkingReform. Canadian urban planning is largely indistinguishable from American here too. Mexico City is probably similar, with around 40% according to one source [1]. Rio is around 42% of new construction. In all of the cities I checked, it was largest land use category once broken out.

Melbourne seems to be better at ~12%, but it's still the third largest land use category despite long-standing efforts to deprioritize cars.

If anything, "shapes everything around us" might be understating the reality.

[1] https://www.itdp.org/2017/07/26/mexico-city-became-leader-pa...

[2] https://www.itdp.org/2019/01/31/rio-joins-parking-reform-lea...

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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It is insane how much actual land is used for ground-floor parking. You could house every homeless person in the USA with like 1/1000th of the available parking space, and park all the moved cars in vertical parking structures. But, geez, that costs money, and political clout, and homeless people don't exactly have a lobbying group.
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