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The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by wpietri »

duckmysick wrote: post #121
wpietri wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who still has a printer? Maybe they could fax you one instead?

Print shops. Restaurants already source their materials and equipment from other suppliers. They don't grow their own food; they don't need to print their own menus.

Sure, the same is true of anything written. But much of that has shifted to digital media because it's more convenient. A print shop has much higher latency and change costs. The newer restaurants in my neighborhood mostly use flexible ways of conveying prices. QR codes, menus on big screens, chalkboards, or computer-printed paper menus on disposable paper.

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Post by des1nderlase »

janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

So you said it yourself, it's not really a 100% utility as "someone" decides what is a spam and what's not. Try running an email service yourself. Being open protocol still gives leverage to someone to decide who can and cannot use the service, and who can monetize ads.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by penguin_booze »

It's for this reason that I've burner accounts with burner emails.

Recently, I got this treatment from Glassdoor, too. I've had a real account with GD, and had made some honest contributions in the past. I haven't made any contributions in a while, because I haven't had any. Now, what do I see when I go to look up something? An indismissable pop up that says "looks like you haven't contributed anything in a while. Make a contribution to continue browsing".

I didn't really wanted to, but now I'm going to get a burner account for GD, too.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by jitix »

guestbest wrote: post #114
janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

It’s a Trojan Horse pattern, really. They give away the service for free membership with billions of VC until their competitors collapse or fade away, then they start becoming more aggressive with ads and/or charging for premium access which used to be free.

This is not new, Gillette used to give out free razors to get people used to their ecosystem and get recurring revenue.

It’s just more “in your face” now.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by Luctct »

I have a bigger beef with other Fuck You patterns.

1. The increasingly high number of sites that will show a blank page when I disable Javascript.

2. The increasingly high number of sites that will show a blank page when I disable cookies even if I have no intention to login and often the site doesn't even involve any kind of membership.

3. Sites that refuse me their content because my browser "is no longer supported" but wil gladly open up to me as soon as I tell my browser to lie about its brand or version.

4. Oh, almost forgot! Cloudflare.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by gunshai »

I also despise this pattern, it's the same on yelp. I have friends who swear by yelp (I'm not sure why) but every time I get sent links by them their desktop website seems to be purposely absolute trash and nagging me every 10 seconds to download their app and sign in.

I just refuse to deal with that kind of crap. I'm probably not the user they want on their platform and that's fine by me.

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Post by breakingcups »

shagie wrote: post #92
gavinray wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently on mobile it's stopped giving me the option to even view the page anonymously, at least for adult content. It gives me: "This is mature content and may not be appropriate for certain viewers. To continue, use the app to confirm you're over 18 and browse anonymously."

That has the feel of hitting some regulatory issues (e.g. Utah's law) and/or having difficulty with porn in the App Store and the content rating of the app there.

Nah, you don't need to confirm anything except indicate you want to see NSFW content, just like you used to be able to in the website itself. It's just a dark pattern to convert porn viewers to the app.

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Post by malfist »

Luctct wrote: post #135

I have a bigger beef with other Fuck You patterns. 1. The increasingly high number of sites that will show a blank page when I disable Javascript. 2. The increasingly high number of sites that will show a blank page when I disable cookies even if I have no intention to login and often the site doesn't even involve any kind of membership. 3. Sites that refuse me their content because my browser "is no longer supported…

I especially love the websites that tell me I need to be using the latest version of Firefox when.... I'm using the latest version of Firefox. I'm just on Ubuntu

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by lamontcg »

slg wrote: post #128
lamontcg wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A nonprofit that wasn't a publicly traded company would a viable alternative model. It wouldn't need to have the same insane up-and-to-the-right incentives and drive to toxic monetization.

It doesn't have to be a nonprofit. There is nothing wrong with turning a profit. The problem is when the company's only goal is ever-increasing profit and they are willing to sacrifice the wellbeing of their employees, customers, and community to achieve it.

Which every for-profit company seems to wind up doing these days.
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