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The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by mcpackieh »

throwanem wrote: post #101
mcpackieh wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd refuse to touch your phone and insult you for the offer. If you don't have a paper menu the question of me giving you money is already off the table; the food is forgotten and my new mission in your restaurant is to punish you with my vindictive attitude. If enough waitresses complain about obnoxious boomers giving them grief, I think the business owner will eventually wisen up.

You don't know how the restaurant business works, for one thing. For another, acting like an asshole to waitstaff just makes you look like an asshole, and gratifying yourself in public over your supposedly principled stand in acting like an asshole doubly so. QR code links to menus are bad, sure. I'd still rather eat at ten places that have those than one place that has you.

> I'd still rather eat at ten places that have those than one place that has you.

If my making a scene makes other customers upset, then it's working. I know businesses hate it when people do this, and that's why I know it's an effective tactic. The whole point of the protest is to sabotage the business by making everybody else in the room upset.

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Post by guestbest »

voytec wrote: post #80
totallywrong wrote: post #10

It's most annoying when businesses make IG their actual website, or restaurants have their menus there, etc. I've never been on IG and can't access the content, so they don't get my business.

From my experience people making decisions on setting up these websites have no clue that such services are walled gardens. They saw an opportunity for free hosting with easy to use WYSIWYG editor and it looked like a no-brainer.

Not only that, they get likes comments and free protection from spam which is easy to moderate from their standpoint.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by sharkjacobs »

SoftTalker wrote: post #58
tsukikage wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> presumably they'll have some paper menus Increasingly commonly, that's a "nope". If I don't have an internet-connected device capable of dealing with a QR code about my person, eating out is no longer for me. Perhaps it's time to go back to the old people's home, the nurse has been searching for hours.

If QR is the only option, I make the server tell me what's on the menu. I'm an old guy with bad eyes I'm not going to try to read your menu on a 5" phone screen in a dim restaurant.

I too make the server tell me what's on the menu, because I grew up in the 8th century BCE when literacy hadn't yet overtaken the strong oral chanting tradition of preserving and transmitting information, and I believe that the written word is a debasement of human intellect.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by guestbest »

janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

It’s a Trojan Horse pattern, really. They give away the service for free membership with billions of VC until their competitors collapse or fade away, then they start becoming more aggressive with ads and/or charging for premium access which used to be free.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by lamontcg »

slg wrote: post #108
janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

>How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? At a certain point, who cares? A company can exist indefinitely with any level of long term profit. They don't need to constantly be maximizing profit in the short term which is where these "fuck you" patterns generally arise. We have designed a system that has convinced everyone to never be satisfied or say they have enou…

A nonprofit that wasn't a publicly traded company would a viable alternative model. It wouldn't need to have the same insane up-and-to-the-right incentives and drive to toxic monetization.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by unnah »

steveklabnik wrote: post #57
aaomidi wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talent isn’t a zero sum game. It takes next to no effort to throw your menu as a photo on google maps for example.

Example of how this falls apart: you change your prices. You change your menu. You have different menus for different times of day. You have different menus for special occasions.

Good point. Also, once the customer is accessing the menu through their smartphone, modern ad tracking technologies also enable pricing to match the expected buying power of the customer. This way the hospitality industry and their adtech partners can extract more value from the transaction and thus increase the efficiency of the market.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by klausa »

SoftTalker wrote: post #58
tsukikage wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> presumably they'll have some paper menus Increasingly commonly, that's a "nope". If I don't have an internet-connected device capable of dealing with a QR code about my person, eating out is no longer for me. Perhaps it's time to go back to the old people's home, the nurse has been searching for hours.

If QR is the only option, I make the server tell me what's on the menu. I'm an old guy with bad eyes I'm not going to try to read your menu on a 5" phone screen in a dim restaurant.

Genuinely asking: wouldn’t a phone be _better_ for you?

Reading a _paper_ menu in a dim room is a miserable experience, but you can zoom in as much as you want on a phone, and you control the brightness of it, and don’t have to angle the piece of paper to catch as much light as possible?

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by kobalsky »

macNchz wrote: post #61

Reddit’s mobile web experience really embraces this–even as a logged in user there is a frequent “Use our app!” popup that has been made progressively more obnoxious. Once upon a time there was a preference option to disable the popup, though it would periodically become unchecked on its own. Then the option to disable it disappeared. Then the popup started appearing not just on page load, but after a period of time…

instagram is a step above though. sometimes they ask you to login to replay a video.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by deely3 »

janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

Just to add: these arguments are good and valid until company become monopoly. And until company start to actively shutdown, integrate, prevent any other company from becoming competitor.

Imagine shared park or public garden owners that buys all other shared parks in country and actively prevent creation of new public parks. And then started to put loud and bright advertisement boards on every tree, near every gil and on every picnic place. And punish you for wearing headphones.

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