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Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by lamontcg »

jonah wrote: post #30
Natsu wrote: post #9

Well, this explains a lot... they didn't have a window rated for the right depth and weren't really testing whether the hull was de-laminating according to the whistleblower, so we have a few guesses as to why the sub would just implode. The lack of contact would be because nobody was alive to contact, which is honestly better, at least they had a quick death instead of slow suffocation. And the banging noises are pr…

In the press-conference they said both end bells were found separately - no mention of whether the window was still intact. It'll be interesting to see the failure analysis. [Edit] Link to video with a description of the major debris found: https://youtu.be/A0xJ220Fod4?t=263 "the front end-bell of the pressure hull - that was the first indication that there was a catastrophic event" "the aft end-bell which basically.…

The root cause was just hubris.

Ironically.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by lamontcg »

nickff wrote: post #24
bonif wrote: post #5

Move fast, break things, ignore safety protocols :-(

Did Oceangate or its founder(s) say they intended to 'move fast and break things', or are you just imputing that they held those beliefs? The company purported to "maintain[] high-level operational safety".

https://web.archive.org/web/20230619161930/https://oceangate...

Pretty much says it there along with a rationalization about why the company should ignore any outside experts due to "innovation".

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by [deleted] »

lm28469 wrote: post #128
toomuchtodo wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Metro reports that last year, when asked about the safety of the Titan submersible, Stockton Rush, OceanGate’s CEO, said, “You know, there’s a limit. At some point safety just is pure waste. I mean if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything. At some point, you’re going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by…

> it really is a risk/reward question risk: die reward: cool pic on instagram

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Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by [deleted] »

jamiek88 wrote: post #107
salawat wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets put it this way. If it was structurally compromised, the implosion would be so fast, a combustion event a la what happens in diesel engines would have occurred. There would be no bodies. There would only be shreds of pressure hull. The titanium hemispheres may have maintained their shape. There is a slight chance it may have been a pinhole leak, and someone had a second to go "Uh..." before the rest of the struc…

Update: they found the two ends. Implying the middle carbon fiber imploded.

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Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by ceejayoz »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #101
bonif wrote: post #5

Move fast, break things, ignore safety protocols :-(

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Is there anything the NY Post can't try to blame on wokeness?

The objection seems to be age, not race:

> “I wanted our team to be younger, to be inspirational and I’m not going to inspire a 16-year-old to go pursue marine technology, but a 25-year-old, uh, you know, who’s a sub pilot or a platform operator or one of our techs can be inspirational,” said Rush.

Not an uncommon scenario at startups.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by Qem »

101008 wrote: post #126
Dave_TRS wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting a commenter on the video notes the pressure there is equivalent to only 10 meters underwater. Imagine the force 2 miles below

I am probably too stupid, but how is that possible? A lot of divers go 10 meters underwater and don't die of pressure, right?

Pressure equalizes as they descend slowly. It's different from descending 4000m inside an armoured can and have it all released upon you in a split second.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by ceejayoz »

101008 wrote: post #126
Dave_TRS wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting a commenter on the video notes the pressure there is equivalent to only 10 meters underwater. Imagine the force 2 miles below

I am probably too stupid, but how is that possible? A lot of divers go 10 meters underwater and don't die of pressure, right?

Humans are less compressible than an empty steel tank (being mostly water) and when they dive they don't teleport from 0 to 10 meters in an instant.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by pfdietz »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #125
jollyllama wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you're saying is, there is a reliable means of death that is, in all likelihood, more humane than any practiced by states with capital punishment?

It's a good question, I was wondering the same. Do we even have any sort of artificial means for generating that kind of pressure? I suppose we could drop someone into a trash compactor, but it might be difficult to convince people that's more humane than a simple injection, even if it technically is.

Explosives.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by adamredwoods »

phire wrote: post #83
jonah wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the press-conference they said both end bells were found separately - no mention of whether the window was still intact. It'll be interesting to see the failure analysis. [Edit] Link to video with a description of the major debris found: https://youtu.be/A0xJ220Fod4?t=263 "the front end-bell of the pressure hull - that was the first indication that there was a catastrophic event" "the aft end-bell which basically.…

That suggests it was the carbon fibre shell that failed. If it was the Plexiglas that failed (or other part of the end bell assembly), I'd expect the pressure to quickly equalise though the failure point and the carbon fibre shell to remain relatively intact and hold those end bells together. Though, I'm not an engineer. Maybe the rapid change in loading could result in the carbon fibre shattering.

I'm curious why Stockton Rush thought carbon fibre would be enough? I'm trying to find out how it would be sufficient. I'm sure we'll find out more later why it failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OceanGate#Design_and_construct...

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by hex4def6 »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #56
jonah wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the press-conference they said both end bells were found separately - no mention of whether the window was still intact. It'll be interesting to see the failure analysis. [Edit] Link to video with a description of the major debris found: https://youtu.be/A0xJ220Fod4?t=263 "the front end-bell of the pressure hull - that was the first indication that there was a catastrophic event" "the aft end-bell which basically.…

Sounds like if the bells were found, but not the tube, we have the answer. If the window failed, I would expect to have none or one bell separated from the tube, but not both. I imagine the glass being shot inside the tube and the water jet would vaporize the people inside and maybe blow one bell off. If the tube failed, would expect both bells to be sitting on the ocean floor. I’m not a professional mechanical engin…

Agree, although if the bells are destroyed, that doesn't mean they were the failure mechanism either. It's entirely possible the tube collapsing would result in a huge water hammer effect on the bells, causing them to be shattered.

It's going to be interesting to see to what level (if any), this gets root-caused. It's not trivial to do when stuff is miles down on the ocean floor.

I assume there isn't a regulatory requirement (like a plane crash). I wonder if it's even needed from an ensuing lawsuit situation; it seems like there's plenty of evidence to support a negligence argument, without getting into the specifics of whether it's the hull that failed or the diving bell, etc.

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