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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

The success in these studies is largely short term. There are many drugs that will help - even cure - depression over the short term. The risk is that people will interpret the short term success as an excuse to always dose whenever they experience a hurdle. I remember well the claims of SSRI's when they first came out. It was nothing short of a wonder drug. The article gives away perhaps the big underlying motivatio…

> its a potential billion dollar industry

And that is fine. It's a good motivator to provide a great product.

I will never see anyone here complaining about the video game industry... The whole video games industry is pretty much a drug for a lot of mental issues. In fact all of the recreational activities have similar mental condition boosting effects.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

#132

As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

Ok but this isn't really true. The country with the most anti-depressant intake is Iceland , the US is around second or third place, yet the other countries in the "top ten" of antidepressant usage per capita are almost all european nations. The USA isn't an outlier, but I guess we really can't escape the "do americans really, really do X?" even when it is trivially easy to verify. The funny thing is that the reason…

Antidepressants and adderall are very different beasts

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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Personally, I left tech in large part to become a therapist doing psychedelic-assisted clinical work when it becomes legal. It really does seem like it can be a potent tool for relieving great suffering. You can read a little about my story here: http://glench.com/WhyIQuitTechAndBecameATherapist/

1% chance that I'd go the same route just because of your comment. I have a bsc. in psychology, so partially already there to become a licensed clinical psychologist. It'd be one hell of a career switch though. I guess, so was yours :) Edit: I just read your blog post about it. Damn! This is illuminating. It'll definitely help me in my journey. Thanks! Also, definitely envious that you got to work with Bret Victor. A…

Replying again since I didn’t manage to re-parent my comment fast enough! I suspect based on your username that we share some common interests. If you ever want to chat about these topics and the things pushing (pulling?) me in this direction, ping me (email in profile).

Best of luck on your journey.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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Can someone share any relevant experience with this? Best would be if you did it properly under supervision of clinical professional, or if you are a professional here, by any chance. Doesn’t matter if it’s US or not.

Here are 2 accounts:

Tucker Max wrote at length about mdma therapy. [1]

Vice News had a piece on mdma therapy and ptsd. [2]

[1] https://www.tuckermax.com/what-mdma-therapy-did-for-me/

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAvUDRYg4h4

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This past week in the US there have been several stories about people who were shot after ringing a doorbell or pulling into someone's driveway. Reducing the number of guns means that these people would not be able to enact this type of senseless violence. It would also certainly cut down on the numbers of toddlers shooting their siblings.

Does the number of people getting shot by their toddler siblings or after ringing a doorbell make up a significant percentage of total gun violence? If not, then banning guns would be, in software terms, a premature optimization.

Why does it have to be a significant percentage of the total? It's still contributing to avoidable life-changing trauma for the people involved.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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> We just need a Timothy Leary type professor to kick off this decade into what is clearly set to be a repeat of the 1960s. I registered an account for the day via Tor, I encourage others to do so while that's possible. (In a non-abusive way.) American Millennial here. Sorry... United States resident . Gotta be mindful 'America' has many countries... We don't need some professor handing out acid tabs, we need profess…

> we need professors who avoid politics entirely

We desperately need that, yes. It is much too late, unfortunately.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

underlying societal factors I'm glad you brought that up. I always found it amusing that the best medicine for depression is to go out, meet people, engage with the world around you, but depression keeps you from doing that. American culture is very individualistic and there's very little pushing communities together, which would seem to exacerbate depression once it takes its hold..

As an anecdotal counterpoint, I find mingling with others to be excruciating when I'm depressed.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

The problem begins with the organizations who govern curriculum and expectations of those who are licensed to practice mental health services.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok but this isn't really true. The country with the most anti-depressant intake is Iceland , the US is around second or third place, yet the other countries in the "top ten" of antidepressant usage per capita are almost all european nations. The USA isn't an outlier, but I guess we really can't escape the "do americans really, really do X?" even when it is trivially easy to verify. The funny thing is that the reason…

Antidepressants and adderall are very different beasts

It’s not clear how this is relevant.
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