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Re: These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft

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Less efficient? Are you saying that data centres are more efficient "space wise" at producing food? Perhaps you're looking for a better comparison.

> Are you saying that data centres are more efficient "space wise" at producing food? No. They are several magnitudes more efficient at ‘producing’ money. Something you can use to buy food grown somewhere else where land is cheaper or is less desirable for urban or industrial developments. > Perhaps you're looking for a better comparison. Not really.

Are you in favor of covering the entire country in data centres Trantor style, or do you favor reserving some open land just in case the country ever needs to rely on agriculture for food in the event of war | pandemic | climate | etc?

I have decades of background in agriculture, mining, energy, geophysical exploration, math consulting and public policy (not the Netherlands) .. money is great up to a point .. but like gold you can't eat it and having actual assets that are useful is something handy to keep in the back pocket.

Re: These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft

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> You’re repeating some of the words you heard elsewhere out of context. That is quite an arrogant claim, sir. You know not me, nor which words or contexts I consumed.

You certainly addressed the substance of my comment here.

You made assumptions and accusations about me ("Unlike you, ...") that I see no point in honoring that with any further comment.

Re: These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you saying that data centres are more efficient "space wise" at producing food? No. They are several magnitudes more efficient at ‘producing’ money. Something you can use to buy food grown somewhere else where land is cheaper or is less desirable for urban or industrial developments. > Perhaps you're looking for a better comparison. Not really.

Are you in favor of covering the entire country in data centres Trantor style, or do you favor reserving some open land just in case the country ever needs to rely on agriculture for food in the event of war | pandemic | climate | etc? I have decades of background in agriculture, mining, energy, geophysical exploration, math consulting and public policy (not the Netherlands) .. money is great up to a point .. but lik…

> in favor of covering the entire country in data centres

Data centers are in fact so space efficient that it’s unlikely that covering even a couple percent of an entire country would ever make economical sense. Well maybe unless that country is Liechtenstein and we want to move all the world’s servers there for some reason.

> money is great up to a point .. but like gold you can't eat it and having actual assets that are useful is something handy to keep in the back pocket.

You are clearly right. However I might be wrong but I still believe that it could hypothetically be possibly to convert a small proportion of farmland into data centers in certain areas without causing global food shortages.

Open land is hardly a thing (unless it’s a park or a nature reserve) in most of the Netherlands. The country is very densely populated. If you exclude the northern provinces (Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe) the rest of the country is about as dense as some of the more spread out major cities in the US.

> favor reserving some open land just in case the country ever needs to rely on agriculture

Probably unnecessary if it’s a small country inside the EU.

However this is an absurd question to ask when talking about the Netherlands specifically. It’s the second biggest exporter of agricultural goods (in $ not tonnage) in the world after the US despite having several magnitudes less space and being over 10x more densely populated).

It’s probably the country which is the least likely to run out of food. Of course the food grown there is very energy intense but since it also exports more natural gas than any other country in the EU that shouldn’t be a huge issue..

Re: These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft

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If you ask yourself what the possible benefits are for dutch people. Absolutely nothing. Companies like Microsoft have complex tax constructions so not a single cent ends up in the dutch economy. Next. These datacenters are huge energy consumers in an already scarse market. Drives prices up. Nobody wants to live close to these ugly heavily guarded places. At the same time the Netherlands faces a housing crisis often…

We let companies to get away pretty much anything. Tax evasion (funnily enough paying tax __after__ expenses), environmental damages and few more.

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Re: These Angry Dutch Farmers Really Hate Microsoft

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If you ask yourself what the possible benefits are for dutch people. Absolutely nothing. Companies like Microsoft have complex tax constructions so not a single cent ends up in the dutch economy. Next. These datacenters are huge energy consumers in an already scarse market. Drives prices up. Nobody wants to live close to these ugly heavily guarded places. At the same time the Netherlands faces a housing crisis often…

>Companies like Microsoft have complex tax constructions so not a single cent ends up in the dutch economy. Why are the Dutch angry with EU and Microsoft and not with their elected Dutch government officials who set up these legal tax dodging opportunities to attract such corporations in the first place? They made the rules, Microsoft (and other companies) are just following them.

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