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Re: Wavelength

#131
post #100

> And the best chat interfaces are in dedicated chat apps — not web browser tabs The one point in the article I disagree with. IMO the best chat interfaces are in desktop web apps. So many things are easy to do in a web chat app that are a pain to do in native apps. And I'll take typing on keyboard over a touchscreen any day of the week.

Like what, tabbing? Are you comparing with a desktop native app?

Re: Wavelength

#132
post #80

IMHO the core point is John Gruber equity, so it is basically a business promotion not an article: "Not only was my feedback warmly received, it begat a series of discussions that culminated in my gladly accepting a position as an official adviser to the company, in exchange for a small amount of equity. I’m happy to disclose this now, and will continue to disclose it when writing about Wavelength henceforth.". The d…

I considered that, but it felt like a spoiler. I wanted to tell a story, and it felt natural and fair to me to put that advisory disclaimer in the chronology. I don’t think it’s misleading, because anyone who lost interest before getting to that point almost certainly wasn’t going to download and try out Wavelength. Put another way: do you really think there are people who read my article who downloaded and installed…

It's never too late to address it. I stopped reading and decided not to try wavelength on this shady behavior.

Re: Wavelength

#133
post #80

IMHO the core point is John Gruber equity, so it is basically a business promotion not an article: "Not only was my feedback warmly received, it begat a series of discussions that culminated in my gladly accepting a position as an official adviser to the company, in exchange for a small amount of equity. I’m happy to disclose this now, and will continue to disclose it when writing about Wavelength henceforth.". The d…

John Gruber seems not to be a gentleman after reading about his behaviour in the story of CommonMark’s name: https://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-commo...

Jeff Atwood instead is remarkably compliant. I personally would have been instisting on „Common Markdown“. Especially with the reasoning, with John Gruber just not-replying until publishing and then being a child and applying double standards, when he himself caused the need for CommonMark due to the inconsistent description of Markdown’s grammar.

Re: Wavelength

#134
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, the group-chat-thread-first model sounds very interesting But, iOS only/first is a nonstarter for a huge portion of the population. If they're just trying to experiment is a small pond first to get it right (sort of as a throwaway version), then that is excellent. If they're planning to stay in the Apple walled garden exclusively or as a first-class/peasants model, then, well, good luck with that.

The fine article already mentions in the body and at the summary at the end that an Android client is planned but they have a small team so it will take time: Wavelength is currently available only for iPhone, iPad, and Mac. An Android app is planned (see next item) … As mentioned above, Wavelength’s development team is very small. Two people, Henry and Patterson. That puts a limit on how much they can accomplish — h…

Yup, I noticed that too, and it seemed at best an afterthought.

Re: Wavelength

#135
post #131
post #100

> And the best chat interfaces are in dedicated chat apps — not web browser tabs The one point in the article I disagree with. IMO the best chat interfaces are in desktop web apps. So many things are easy to do in a web chat app that are a pain to do in native apps. And I'll take typing on keyboard over a touchscreen any day of the week.

Like what, tabbing? Are you comparing with a desktop native app?

Search, deep linking, copy/paste, multiple windows open, faster typing, updating (just a refresh).

Re: Wavelength

#136
post #80

IMHO the core point is John Gruber equity, so it is basically a business promotion not an article: "Not only was my feedback warmly received, it begat a series of discussions that culminated in my gladly accepting a position as an official adviser to the company, in exchange for a small amount of equity. I’m happy to disclose this now, and will continue to disclose it when writing about Wavelength henceforth.". The d…

John Gruber seems not to be a gentleman after reading about his behaviour in the story of CommonMark’s name: https://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-commo... Jeff Atwood instead is remarkably compliant. I personally would have been instisting on „Common Markdown“. Especially with the reasoning, with John Gruber just not-replying until publishing and then being a child and applying double standards, whe…

I remember that story differently. No one is obligated to respond to Atwood questions just because. But gentleman don't need to start digging into unrelated stories to discredit someone. Let's stick to point here.

Re: Wavelength

#137
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally don't think that's an issue. The same number of messages are made, why arbitrarily force the discussion to be broken up? Embracing what the users want to do, how they want to us it, is a great way to discover non-obvious uses and to be low friction for them. Just looked, and on one of the forums I run there's a thread with more than 130K replies https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/133015/ and so long as…

I just think that monster threads are hard to skim if you haven't been following them from the beginning. On big forums, I'll go through the list of threads to see if there's something interesting. The thread titles make it easy to skip stuff I am not interested in. If there's a thread with 100 pages the title probably says little about the topic. There's probably some interesting comments in there, but I don't want…

Discourse forums summarize long threads quite well.

Re: Wavelength

#138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Furthermore, the app privacy label on the App Store claims that this service collects your contacts. So much for privacy, then. FWIW, it’s up to the user whether to allow that. I don’t recall the language the app uses to describe the contact request, it seemed reasonable but I didn’t allow it.

Correct. Sharing contact information is opt-in, and what gets stored on the server is only salted and hashed phone numbers, not even names. It’s just a way to find people on Wavelength whose phone numbers are in your contacts. Also, if you later choose to delete your contacts from Wavelength, everything stored on the server is deleted. The privacy policy makes this clear, I think.

Salting and hashing phone numbers doesn’t do much to obfuscate them because the whole range of phone numbers is brute-forcible. Wavelength (or any attacker who gains access to Wavelength’s database) effectively has all phone numbers users upload. To reverse the hashing, just compute 10 million hashes per valid US area code.

And it’s a tiny amount of work if you just want to know which users have a contact with one specific phone number.

Much better would be to store no contact information at all server-side.

Re: Wavelength

#139
post #80

IMHO the core point is John Gruber equity, so it is basically a business promotion not an article: "Not only was my feedback warmly received, it begat a series of discussions that culminated in my gladly accepting a position as an official adviser to the company, in exchange for a small amount of equity. I’m happy to disclose this now, and will continue to disclose it when writing about Wavelength henceforth.". The d…

Wait, let me make sure I understand -- you're objecting to his promoting of a business interest on his own blog? By telling a story about he got involved? I dunno about you, but if I had a blog with a gazillion loyal readers, I would promote the hell out of my own projects. What, uh, else is something like that for? I'm with gruber on this

Re: Wavelength

#140
post #101
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a stylistic choice. It’s not a universal rule.

> That’s a stylistic choice. It’s not a universal rule. It's universal rule if you want people to actually read disclaimer. Similar method of burying the lead is used to promote quackery, info that's it's based on a online poll that five people took is "hidden" in later parts of article.

burying the *lede
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