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FWIW, that's more a matter of customizations for those servers than Discord in general. Vanilla discord is... still kind of annoying, but not terribly confusing. Mostly just Slack with voice/video chat and bad threading.
Slack has voice / video chat no?
It requires iOS 15 which cannot (currently) be jailbroken.
> Messages on Wavelength are completely private and secure, using state of the art end-to-end encryption. All of the state of the art end-to-end encryption in products I know of is free software. Much more difficult to verify these claims otherwise. Furthermore, the app privacy label on the App Store claims that this service collects your contacts. So much for privacy, then. Any conversation that includes OpenAI's GP…
FWIW, it’s up to the user whether to allow that. I don’t recall the language the app uses to describe the contact request, it seemed reasonable but I didn’t allow it.
Sounds like the fundamental bet here is that design and privacy are meaningful differentiators in this market. With regard to design, Wavelength's particular, native aesthetic might have a certain kind of emotional appeal to old-school Mac and iOS users (including me), but fundamentally its conversation view works a lot like Discord's, which also supports threads and basic replies. I don't think they're going to win…
Unclear how the privacy is better than Signal’s.
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We will never run ads. We plan to make money primarily by offering pro subscriptions and a version of Wavelength for organizations.
> We will never run ads. We plan to make money primarily by offering pro subscriptions and a version of Wavelength for organizations. There are so many corporations that made similar pledges only to break them when it became advantageous for them to do so. Is there any mechanism that actually would enforce it? Mechanism that wouldn't disappear with a single stroke of pen?
Going for network effect with a free offering means there has to be investment money keeping the lights on. Those investors will want their returns.
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/sigh… How is being forced to be civil so outrageous that it’s worth even mentioning? The fixation on unmoderated freedom of speech is… obsessive. If they make a nice community for people who wanna talk to each other on those terms, good for them. Maybe it’s nice. Maybe it’s a heavily moderated echo chamber. Maybe it’s not for you, that’s fine. What do you get by standing on the sidelines going “that’s abhorrent! Dea…
I take issue with “enforced civility” alongside “real names”.
Fixation on civility promotes tone over content.
For example, this very thread!
Despite my comment having several upvotes, and despite the fact that it did actually spark a curious conversation as per the guidance in the rules, you are the only person that got a chance to respond to me before comments were turned off on my post.
Is it absolutely clear what I was criticizing? Yes. Was I criticizing something that others might agree with or at the very least discuss? Again, yes.
Did it fit into the arbitrary rules of decorum that a handful of individual users decided to enforce in this instance? No.
If you agree with “enforced civility”, do you think that you should have had the ability to post your response? The current set of civility enforcers are of the opinion that nobody on this entire website should be about to respond directly to “Oh god no.” because it so soundly shakes them to their cores that you, as a user, should be protected from seeing or responding to it.
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This app is dead in the water. That doesn't mean it's not gonna provide some usefulness to groups of people, just that a iOS-only, freemium group chat will never reach mass appeal if their goal is to make money off of it.
Yup, the group-chat-thread-first model sounds very interesting But, iOS only/first is a nonstarter for a huge portion of the population. If they're just trying to experiment is a small pond first to get it right (sort of as a throwaway version), then that is excellent. If they're planning to stay in the Apple walled garden exclusively or as a first-class/peasants model, then, well, good luck with that.
Wavelength is currently available only for iPhone, iPad, and Mac. An Android app is planned (see next item) … As mentioned above, Wavelength’s development team is very small. Two people, Henry and Patterson. That puts a limit on how much they can accomplish — hence the lack of an Android app at the moment.
Regardless, I don’t personally have any interest in this App at this time.
IMHO the core point is John Gruber equity, so it is basically a business promotion not an article: "Not only was my feedback warmly received, it begat a series of discussions that culminated in my gladly accepting a position as an official adviser to the company, in exchange for a small amount of equity. I’m happy to disclose this now, and will continue to disclose it when writing about Wavelength henceforth.". The d…
Put another way: do you really think there are people who read my article who downloaded and installed Wavelength based on the fact that I wrote about it, but who didn’t read that far into the article? And if they had seen the disclaimer, wouldn’t have downloaded it on the basis that they no longer trust my word about it? I don’t.