Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years • Hacker News Board

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by sbaiddn » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 7:15 PM UTC

LazyMans wrote: post #60

sbaiddn wrote: post #55

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Just as a heads up from a professional semi-chemist: dont ingest anything thats been at car temperatures. Its hot enough to chemically alter things, activate diffusions, speed bacterial growth, etc. Its not hot enough to sterilize what you're ingesting.

Good advice for sure. I suppose I should make sure the tums in my center console won’t kill me

FYI dont drink Diet soda thats been left in hot places. Aspartame degrades to some nasty compound.

Coke delivery guys make sure to rotate the diet soda when they deliver it (my wife took a day-in-the-life tour when she was at coke)

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by Baeocystin » Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 6:12 PM UTC

sbaiddn wrote: post #131

LazyMans wrote: post #60

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Good advice for sure. I suppose I should make sure the tums in my center console won’t kill me

FYI dont drink Diet soda thats been left in hot places. Aspartame degrades to some nasty compound. Coke delivery guys make sure to rotate the diet soda when they deliver it (my wife took a day-in-the-life tour when she was at coke)

Aspartame breaks down in to methanol (which is then metabolized in to formaldehyde) when heated.

This sounds bad, but it's worth keeping in mind that plain tomato juice has something like 6x methanol in it than diet sodas. The quantities involved are tiny. Aspartame is metabolized in the same way when consumed cold. The big reason soda manufacturers are concerned about heat is that it loses its sweetness.

(all that being said, it's probably still a good idea to avoid anyway)

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by jjeaff » Sun, Feb 19, 2023, 7:27 AM UTC

Analemma_ wrote: post #58

marcinzm wrote: post #11

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The big ones where Johnson & Johnson/Janssen had a risk of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome to the point of being effectivelly discontinued. Pfizer and Moderna also have a risk of myocarditis. There's also plenty of other studies covering the various other risks such as https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/ . Which can all be found after 30 seconds of Googling or simply by paying attention to all the new…

The thrombosis was reported by the exact medical authorities that antivaxxers claim are hushing up the truth, using the exact diagnostic and reporting system they claim doesn’t work. The system worked exactly as intended. The myocarditis is caused by the same spike proteins that are in the virus itself, and the relative risk of myocarditis from an actual Covid infection versus the vaccine is many times higher. Which…

Yes. It boggles my mind that the simple fact that the spike protein seems to cause the myocarditis and all the anti-vaxers can't seem to put 2 and 2 together that a full on infection of COVID all over your body is going to be orders of magnitude worse for that exact same symptom. And that's not even taking into account the myriad of other negative side effects of a severe COVID infection.

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by jjeaff » Sun, Feb 19, 2023, 7:33 AM UTC

blindriver wrote: post #32

Willish42 wrote: post #28

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> No one knows why, and no one appears to be studying why. This is so false. Took literally one Google search to find a study about "why" and the relationship to myocarditis and Covid 19: https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-... Viral infections are one of the top causes for myocarditis. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/s... Vaccines work by stimulating one's immune sy…

I mentioned the vaccine, and you're talking about COVID-19, which is not what I was talking about. > Vaccines work by stimulating one's immune system response in ways similar to infection Wrong. This is not how the MRNA vaccine works. The only thing that the MRNA vaccines produce is the spike protein, and it's bound with an additional part so that even the spike protein can't be active. It doesn't deliver the same im…

Myocarditis was only found to be slightly higher in 12-17 year olds with the moderna vaccine. The Pfizer and others did not. Presumably because Pfizer is a lower dose. But of course, this is all moot because myocarditis is usually mild and does not require hospitalization and there are myriad of other symptoms that you can get from COVID. Its not as if myocarditis is the only negative side effect of catching COVID.