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Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by blindriver »

mikeyouse wrote: post #29
blindriver wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As mentioned by the CDC, boys between the ages of 12-17 have a much higher risk of getting myocarditis from the COVID vaccine (about 1 in 5000), and this risk diminishes as you get older. No one knows why, and no one appears to be studying why.

Just because you don’t know why doesn’t mean “no one knows why”. Myocarditis is a well known risk factor in vaccines and the Covid studies explicitly tested different dosages to determine the lowest effective dose to minimize that risk. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04405076 It’s pretty impressive how weird antivaxxers have convinced millions of people to not take vaccines based on their ignorance of…

No it's not a well known risk factor at all. Especially not the likes of 1 in 5000, and there's no explanation why it's only affected kids 12-17 and it decreases to almost nil as one gets older.

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by blindriver »

Willish42 wrote: post #28
blindriver wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As mentioned by the CDC, boys between the ages of 12-17 have a much higher risk of getting myocarditis from the COVID vaccine (about 1 in 5000), and this risk diminishes as you get older. No one knows why, and no one appears to be studying why.

> No one knows why, and no one appears to be studying why. This is so false. Took literally one Google search to find a study about "why" and the relationship to myocarditis and Covid 19: https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-... Viral infections are one of the top causes for myocarditis. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/s... Vaccines work by stimulating one's immune sy…

I mentioned the vaccine, and you're talking about COVID-19, which is not what I was talking about.

> Vaccines work by stimulating one's immune system response in ways similar to infection

Wrong. This is not how the MRNA vaccine works. The only thing that the MRNA vaccines produce is the spike protein, and it's bound with an additional part so that even the spike protein can't be active. It doesn't deliver the same immune response as it does from a COVID 19 infection at all.

All of which doesn't answer the question why are 12-17 year olds suffering a 1 in 5000 chance of getting myocarditis from the vaccine?

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by refurb »

The cancer causing agent in Zantac is a N-nitrosamine.

These are the same class of chemicals that are found in cured meat and they are present in an awful lot of food because they are produced during fermentation. Bacon, beer, even a side product of drinking water treatment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4609975/

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by billiallards »

h2odragon wrote: post #2

Of course they did. People wouldn't buy their shit if they'd said it'd give you cancer. Oh wait. Maybe they would. everything gives you cancer now, doesn't it?

As I understand it, the wrong combination of tumor suppressant/promoter genes getting switched off/on gives you cancer.

Exposure to some things can cause more mutations or hinder your body's error-correction systems, sometimes to extreme degrees. It is a numbers game, though.

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by marcinzm »

hammock wrote: post #23
throwaway29812 wrote: post #9

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Extremely low instances of complications. The same complications exist in far higher rates with COVID itself.

What complications? >The same complications exist in far higher rates with COVID itself. Is that relevant if most people who get the jab also later get covid?

>Is that relevant if most people who get the jab also later get covid?

You do realize that the whole point of a vaccine is to either prevent or improve the symptoms of a disease right? So if you're nearly guaranteed to get covid then you definitely want to suffer a smaller number of complications from a vaccine and then reduced post-vaccine covid complications versus the much worse complications of un-vaccinated covid. The math is different if you're unlikely to catch covid but as you admit yourself that isn't the case nowadays.

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

zerocrates wrote: post #27
eikenberry wrote: post #19

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I read that it is only carcinogenic if stored improperly, which was one of the reasons it stayed available for as long as it did. The article doesn't seem to counter this idea. Do you have any references on the not heat-exposed risks?

My understanding is that the carcinogen (NDMA) builds up over time even with storage at recommended temperatures, though increased temperature makes it build up much faster. That's what the FDA said when they pulled it from the market. How old your ranitidine would have to be to have too-high NDMA level without higher heat, I haven't seen any specifics around that. I imagine they could have instead instituted limits…

Even something as simple as telling people to store the bottle in the refrigerator...

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by sophacles »

blindriver wrote: post #31
mikeyouse wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you don’t know why doesn’t mean “no one knows why”. Myocarditis is a well known risk factor in vaccines and the Covid studies explicitly tested different dosages to determine the lowest effective dose to minimize that risk. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04405076 It’s pretty impressive how weird antivaxxers have convinced millions of people to not take vaccines based on their ignorance of…

No it's not a well known risk factor at all. Especially not the likes of 1 in 5000, and there's no explanation why it's only affected kids 12-17 and it decreases to almost nil as one gets older.

What do you mean by "knows why"? Seriously - there's "no one knows why and can't point to anything at all that my be related", and there's "...and we don't know why the xyz protein doesn't match our models and we're not sure what's going on in the 4890th pair of the dna that generates it"?

Both fit "no one knows why" - and that's the problem with such statements.

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by marcinzm »

blindriver wrote: post #31
mikeyouse wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you don’t know why doesn’t mean “no one knows why”. Myocarditis is a well known risk factor in vaccines and the Covid studies explicitly tested different dosages to determine the lowest effective dose to minimize that risk. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04405076 It’s pretty impressive how weird antivaxxers have convinced millions of people to not take vaccines based on their ignorance of…

No it's not a well known risk factor at all. Especially not the likes of 1 in 5000, and there's no explanation why it's only affected kids 12-17 and it decreases to almost nil as one gets older.

If you're that concerned about things doctor's don't know about medication side effects then you probably shouldn't take any medicine ever. Almost every single one of them has some random side effect or risk that no one has yet figured out the exact mechanism for. Most aren't even quantified in random studies but simply noted and then utterly ignored. The vaccines being studied so much is why we have actual data on these rare side effects unlike most medications.

Re: Zantac’s maker kept quiet about cancer risks for 40 years

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Post by ivraatiems »

nickff wrote: post #17
ivraatiems wrote: post #15

I used to take ranitidine... one day, it suddenly stopped being available at pharmacies. My physician switched me to famotidine, a similar medication, because there were "supply issues" for the foreseeable future. That was almost two years ago. This is the first I'm hearing about this. So for all I know, I was exposed to an unknown amount of carcinogen for years without being told anything about it even after that in…

> "What's my recourse?" A lawsuit, like the thousands mentioned in the article.

How would I have known to file a lawsuit about something when I had no knowledge of the situation for years?
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